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Was impressed with the professionalism from this angle. They seemed to focus on charging people with only the correct crimes and communicating processes to ensu

Was impressed with the professionalism from this angle. They seemed to focus on charging people with only the correct crimes and communicating processes to ensure those arrested wouldn’t lose their personal effects. Were there abuses of LRAD or tear gas etc on the ground during this NSA arrest or was it done correctly and humanely at all levels?

Unfrozen0688 3y ago
Yes the article seems very "anti police" but this shows all doing a very good job.
runnerup 3y ago
*mass arrest
ricardobeat 3y ago
A lot of those “correctly charged” crimes would not happen at all, if the police did not aggressively corral and use riot control tactics on peaceful protests… it’s crazy that this is lawful.
- reaperman 3y ago
  The crime was blocking the highway. If there were no police at all, that crime still would have been committed. I'm all for civil disobedience but at least if I'm not mistaken, when Dr. King organized so many marches and sit-ins he guided his followers to peacefully allow themselves to be arrested -- overflowing the jails and courts was an intentional part of the civil disobedience. He himself was arrested many times. That peaceful action made media coverage of events like the police violence in Selma, Alabama more impactful than they would be otherwise. I grew up in a "violent leftist" city, which was a major hub for the Weathermen and various bombings of law enforcement buildings during the era of "Days of Rage", but the general advice for attending protests/marches in the early 2000's was "bring a check in your pocket to fill out for bail", not "run away from the police and attempt to avoid getting arrested" or "attack the police and burn down the police stations".
  - matt_morgan 3y ago
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    - reaperman 3y ago
      Maybe it should be, but your assertion is incorrect. It is not currently a crime to create spaces where people using motor vehicles have a statutory right-of-way over people not using motor vehicles. Cars themselves have very few rights. Property has its own rights only in very esoteric court cases like United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins[0] Personally I'd rather live in a society in which most common roads reserve default right-of-way for pedestrians and bicycles, but also in which some spaces are reserved for motor vehicles, particularly limited-access highways away from city centers. I'd also like plenty of public transportation both locally and inter-regionally, to eliminate the "need" to own personal motor vehicles. I just keep separate what I want from what is reality. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately_64,695_Pounds_of_Shark_Fins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately...
    - Unfrozen0688 3y ago
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      - FredPret 3y ago
        Having lived in European, African, Canadian, and American cities, I can tell you the ones in North America are about ten times more comfortable.
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      For the benefit of people, cars and trucks should have right of way over pedestrians on limited access highways. Just as trains should on intercity train tracks and aircraft on runways.
    - deleted 3y ago
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- Unfrozen0688 3y ago
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- darkclouds 3y ago
  A lot of those protests wouldnt happen if democracy, law, diet and the media didnt divide people. Apathy is a powerful tool.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    Diet? How does diet divide people?
    - JohnMakin 3y ago
      it's the toxins /s
    - darkclouds 3y ago
      Look at the quality of food you can afford and not afford. Cheaper foods tend to be fattier geared up for manual workers. You'll have a shorter lifespan. Tap water is just pus, then you have the high levels of chemicals in them. The best water you can drink is deionised water, the stuff used for vehicle batteries and steam irons, and then add in the best chemicals to top up your mineral content. Chlorides are better than other forms like gluconate or sulphates which become sulfuric acid when exposed to the hydrochloric acid in the gastric juices, which then destroys tissues in the body oh so slowly. Iron chloride for example generates the least amount of reactive oxygen species, and is also the most labile, able to switch between state more easily than other iron supplements. Its the best form of iron you can get, show me a supplement that uses it! Chlorides also work better in the most acidic parts of the body. I really do question the medical experts, legislators and food industry. So if you know what chemicals will do what in the body, through the diet, you can alter the personality's and health of the population. One way to do that is through food legislation. Global manufacturers can also play their part as well.
- pc86 3y ago
  Shining a laser into an aircraft cockpit immediately makes it a non-peaceful protest.
  - hiatus 3y ago
    So the actions of a single individual can change the nature of the entire protest? That line of thinking seems to incentivize the use of agent provocateurs.
    - pc86 3y ago
      Who better to make sure the protest is peaceful than the folks doing the protesting?
      - 93po 3y ago
        Who better to destroy constitutional rights than a plain clothes cop with a $15 laser?
        pc86 3y ago
        So what's the answer? 1A doesn't protect non-peaceful protests. There's no court in the world that would classify lasers used in this manner as peaceful. "Oh it's just some pig doing it, not the real protestors" is such an intellectually lazy response and most of the time it's false anyway. If you want to have a peaceful protest I will be the first one to support it whether I agree with the end goal or not. But the people running these things have an obligation to see that they remain peaceful.
        93po 3y ago
        The answer is protest is an invaluable tool for a functioning democracy and if the government has the power to explicitly state which square footage of a city that people have the right to protest in, then we’ve lost the right to protest. Police forces use unconstitutional and unlawful force all the time. Should we disband the police every time that happens? Should we force all police to leave the area in the first instance of that happening?
dylan604 3y ago
>They seemed to focus on charging people with only the correct crimes and communicating processes to ensure those arrested wouldn’t lose their personal effects. This was less for the protesters convenience as it was all about not making the officers on the ground deal with that level of pain in the ass logistics. They were told to search all belongings, but unless anything was found to just tag the bag and send them on to I'm guessing booking. During booking in a much more controlled environment, they could take their time and do the normal processing of personal items. It's a triaging decision, not a polite to the protestors decisions

Unfrozen0688 3y ago

Yes the article seems very "anti police" but this shows all doing a very good job.

runnerup 3y ago

*mass arrest

ricardobeat 3y ago

A lot of those “correctly charged” crimes would not happen at all, if the police did not aggressively corral and use riot control tactics on peaceful protests… it’s crazy that this is lawful.

reaperman 3y ago
The crime was blocking the highway. If there were no police at all, that crime still would have been committed. I'm all for civil disobedience but at least if I'm not mistaken, when Dr. King organized so many marches and sit-ins he guided his followers to peacefully allow themselves to be arrested -- overflowing the jails and courts was an intentional part of the civil disobedience. He himself was arrested many times. That peaceful action made media coverage of events like the police violence in Selma, Alabama more impactful than they would be otherwise. I grew up in a "violent leftist" city, which was a major hub for the Weathermen and various bombings of law enforcement buildings during the era of "Days of Rage", but the general advice for attending protests/marches in the early 2000's was "bring a check in your pocket to fill out for bail", not "run away from the police and attempt to avoid getting arrested" or "attack the police and burn down the police stations".
- matt_morgan 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - reaperman 3y ago
    Maybe it should be, but your assertion is incorrect. It is not currently a crime to create spaces where people using motor vehicles have a statutory right-of-way over people not using motor vehicles. Cars themselves have very few rights. Property has its own rights only in very esoteric court cases like United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins[0] Personally I'd rather live in a society in which most common roads reserve default right-of-way for pedestrians and bicycles, but also in which some spaces are reserved for motor vehicles, particularly limited-access highways away from city centers. I'd also like plenty of public transportation both locally and inter-regionally, to eliminate the "need" to own personal motor vehicles. I just keep separate what I want from what is reality. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately_64,695_Pounds_of_Shark_Fins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately...
  - Unfrozen0688 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - FredPret 3y ago
      Having lived in European, African, Canadian, and American cities, I can tell you the ones in North America are about ten times more comfortable.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    For the benefit of people, cars and trucks should have right of way over pedestrians on limited access highways. Just as trains should on intercity train tracks and aircraft on runways.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- 3y ago
Unfrozen0688 3y ago
[flagged]
darkclouds 3y ago
A lot of those protests wouldnt happen if democracy, law, diet and the media didnt divide people. Apathy is a powerful tool.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  Diet? How does diet divide people?
  - JohnMakin 3y ago
    it's the toxins /s
  - darkclouds 3y ago
    Look at the quality of food you can afford and not afford. Cheaper foods tend to be fattier geared up for manual workers. You'll have a shorter lifespan. Tap water is just pus, then you have the high levels of chemicals in them. The best water you can drink is deionised water, the stuff used for vehicle batteries and steam irons, and then add in the best chemicals to top up your mineral content. Chlorides are better than other forms like gluconate or sulphates which become sulfuric acid when exposed to the hydrochloric acid in the gastric juices, which then destroys tissues in the body oh so slowly. Iron chloride for example generates the least amount of reactive oxygen species, and is also the most labile, able to switch between state more easily than other iron supplements. Its the best form of iron you can get, show me a supplement that uses it! Chlorides also work better in the most acidic parts of the body. I really do question the medical experts, legislators and food industry. So if you know what chemicals will do what in the body, through the diet, you can alter the personality's and health of the population. One way to do that is through food legislation. Global manufacturers can also play their part as well.
pc86 3y ago
Shining a laser into an aircraft cockpit immediately makes it a non-peaceful protest.
- hiatus 3y ago
  So the actions of a single individual can change the nature of the entire protest? That line of thinking seems to incentivize the use of agent provocateurs.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Who better to make sure the protest is peaceful than the folks doing the protesting?
    - 93po 3y ago
      Who better to destroy constitutional rights than a plain clothes cop with a $15 laser?
      - pc86 3y ago
        So what's the answer? 1A doesn't protect non-peaceful protests. There's no court in the world that would classify lasers used in this manner as peaceful. "Oh it's just some pig doing it, not the real protestors" is such an intellectually lazy response and most of the time it's false anyway. If you want to have a peaceful protest I will be the first one to support it whether I agree with the end goal or not. But the people running these things have an obligation to see that they remain peaceful.
        93po 3y ago
        The answer is protest is an invaluable tool for a functioning democracy and if the government has the power to explicitly state which square footage of a city that people have the right to protest in, then we’ve lost the right to protest. Police forces use unconstitutional and unlawful force all the time. Should we disband the police every time that happens? Should we force all police to leave the area in the first instance of that happening?

dylan604 3y ago

>They seemed to focus on charging people with only the correct crimes and communicating processes to ensure those arrested wouldn’t lose their personal effects. This was less for the protesters convenience as it was all about not making the officers on the ground deal with that level of pain in the ass logistics. They were told to search all belongings, but unless anything was found to just tag the bag and send them on to I'm guessing booking. During booking in a much more controlled environment, they could take their time and do the normal processing of personal items. It's a triaging decision, not a polite to the protestors decisions