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ADHD drugs are not methamphetamine, and it’s very ignorant, bigoted, and harmful for you to imply that they are. What scientific research did your pastor study

ADHD drugs are not methamphetamine, and it’s very ignorant, bigoted, and harmful for you to imply that they are. What scientific research did your pastor study before forming that opinion?

hirvi74 3y ago
> ADHD drugs are not methamphetamine https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html Sure, there is a slight difference in amphetamines and methampetamines, but by and large the positive and negative effects are damn near identical. The difference, as I understand it, are in the dosages required. The methyl group makes meth pass the blood-brain barrier much easier, which makes it much stronger and neurotoxic, but the substances are not too dissimilar. So what if ADHD drugs are meth and/or meth-like? Cocaine derivatives are common in medicine (Lidocaine, Novocaine, etc..). Opium derivatives too. The dosage, not the substance, makes the poison. The only reason people get so up in arms about this topic is due to social stigmas and the BS propaganda from The War on Drugs.
- callalex 3y ago
  I want to make sure you are aware that ADHD prescriptions for desoxyn are extremely rare to the point of being basically zero. While I am sympathetic to your point that there shouldn’t be a stigma around using any prescribed medicine, I think it is irrelevant to this discussion because the fact of the matter is ADHD drugs just really aren’t the same thing as meth.
  - hirvi74 3y ago
    > desoxyn are extremely rare to the point of being basically zero. It's truly a shame, because from anecdotes I have read, it apparently works so much better and with less side-effects. But you are right, it's not very common. I've asked doctors about it before. Some have literally never heard of it (though they could be feigning ignorance). None have been open to the idea, and from what some have told me -- good luck getting insurance to cover it. > I think it is irrelevant to this discussion because the fact of the matter is ADHD drugs just really aren’t the same thing as meth. "ADHD drugs" are a very wide brush. There are 4 commonly used non-stimulants, for example, and a few others used off-label (Wellbutrin, Modafinil, etc..) Adderall and its ever increasing array of delivery mechanisms are the most common ADHD medication(s). Hell, you can lump Dex in there too since it's 75% the same drug. But as for the difference in effects between M. Amp. and Mixed Amp. Salts, even this psychiatrist doesn't think the difference is as profound as I am lead to believe you think: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/know-your-amphetamines https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/know-your-amphetamines

ADHD drugs are not methamphetamine, and it’s very ignorant, bigoted, and harmful for you to imply that they are. What scientific research did your pastor study before forming that opinion?

hirvi74 3y ago

> ADHD drugs are not methamphetamine https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html Sure, there is a slight difference in amphetamines and methampetamines, but by and large the positive and negative effects are damn near identical. The difference, as I understand it, are in the dosages required. The methyl group makes meth pass the blood-brain barrier much easier, which makes it much stronger and neurotoxic, but the substances are not too dissimilar. So what if ADHD drugs are meth and/or meth-like? Cocaine derivatives are common in medicine (Lidocaine, Novocaine, etc..). Opium derivatives too. The dosage, not the substance, makes the poison. The only reason people get so up in arms about this topic is due to social stigmas and the BS propaganda from The War on Drugs.

callalex 3y ago
I want to make sure you are aware that ADHD prescriptions for desoxyn are extremely rare to the point of being basically zero. While I am sympathetic to your point that there shouldn’t be a stigma around using any prescribed medicine, I think it is irrelevant to this discussion because the fact of the matter is ADHD drugs just really aren’t the same thing as meth.
- hirvi74 3y ago
  > desoxyn are extremely rare to the point of being basically zero. It's truly a shame, because from anecdotes I have read, it apparently works so much better and with less side-effects. But you are right, it's not very common. I've asked doctors about it before. Some have literally never heard of it (though they could be feigning ignorance). None have been open to the idea, and from what some have told me -- good luck getting insurance to cover it. > I think it is irrelevant to this discussion because the fact of the matter is ADHD drugs just really aren’t the same thing as meth. "ADHD drugs" are a very wide brush. There are 4 commonly used non-stimulants, for example, and a few others used off-label (Wellbutrin, Modafinil, etc..) Adderall and its ever increasing array of delivery mechanisms are the most common ADHD medication(s). Hell, you can lump Dex in there too since it's 75% the same drug. But as for the difference in effects between M. Amp. and Mixed Amp. Salts, even this psychiatrist doesn't think the difference is as profound as I am lead to believe you think: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/know-your-amphetamines https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/know-your-amphetamines