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That phrase is used when someone is delivering someone else's message. That comment, both it's content and it's implications, are yours. If you're gonna run a

That phrase is used when someone is delivering someone else's message. That comment, both it's content and it's implications, are yours. If you're gonna run away from it now, you shouldn't have written it in the first place.

andrewstuart 3y ago
I stand by what I said, but I am just the messenger. Everywhere its easy to see evidence of the tipping point accelerating. There's extremely good reason to panic at this stage. >> But this is one year. A single data point. It's absurd to come to such an extreme conclusion based on a single year of (admittedly very scary) data. Nope - this year is part of a statistical heat trend. It's not up and down, some years cooler, some warmer. It's getting hotter every year. Plants and animals and the ocean ecosystem will be devastated by this. The human food supply depends on seasons, and seasons are being massively disrupted. If plants don't product food then that's a big problem. I would wonder what do you gain from denying this is where the problem has got to? Why do you need it to not be at catastrophe level right now?
- BaseballPhysics 3y ago
  > Everywhere its easy to see evidence of the tipping point accelerating. Cool, let's start here, then: what tipping points are you referring to, specifically, and what is the evidence that they're accelerating? To be clear: ocean temperatures are unusually high this year relative to historic trends, but with just this one year as a major outlier, there's no basis to conclude a tipping point has been reached, especially given El Nino muddies the data. As for atmospheric temperature, 2023 is likely to be a warmest year on record, but January to July 2016 was hotter, so there no reason to believe 2023 will be wildly outside the current trendline (which, to be clear, is up and to the right): https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202307 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/g... > Why do you need it to not be at catastrophe level right now? Why do I dispute unsupported claims that the earth is now on an irreversible course to climate disaster that will destroy the human race? The answer is literally in the first paragraph of my first reply. Go read it again. It seems silly to repeat myself.

andrewstuart 3y ago

I stand by what I said, but I am just the messenger. Everywhere its easy to see evidence of the tipping point accelerating. There's extremely good reason to panic at this stage. >> But this is one year. A single data point. It's absurd to come to such an extreme conclusion based on a single year of (admittedly very scary) data. Nope - this year is part of a statistical heat trend. It's not up and down, some years cooler, some warmer. It's getting hotter every year. Plants and animals and the ocean ecosystem will be devastated by this. The human food supply depends on seasons, and seasons are being massively disrupted. If plants don't product food then that's a big problem. I would wonder what do you gain from denying this is where the problem has got to? Why do you need it to not be at catastrophe level right now?

BaseballPhysics 3y ago
> Everywhere its easy to see evidence of the tipping point accelerating. Cool, let's start here, then: what tipping points are you referring to, specifically, and what is the evidence that they're accelerating? To be clear: ocean temperatures are unusually high this year relative to historic trends, but with just this one year as a major outlier, there's no basis to conclude a tipping point has been reached, especially given El Nino muddies the data. As for atmospheric temperature, 2023 is likely to be a warmest year on record, but January to July 2016 was hotter, so there no reason to believe 2023 will be wildly outside the current trendline (which, to be clear, is up and to the right): https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202307 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/g... > Why do you need it to not be at catastrophe level right now? Why do I dispute unsupported claims that the earth is now on an irreversible course to climate disaster that will destroy the human race? The answer is literally in the first paragraph of my first reply. Go read it again. It seems silly to repeat myself.