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I don't get it. Isn't that what people wanted to happen? Don't produce copyrighted work in the output. Sure you can learn from it, much like a director might le

by bko 3y ago

I don't get it. Isn't that what people wanted to happen? Don't produce copyrighted work in the output. Sure you can learn from it, much like a director might learn from hundreds of movies he's watched. He obviously can't copy the plot from Die Hard but he can use elements he's picked up from it to make a Christmas movie.

SoftTalker 3y ago
What do you mean he can't copy the plot? Any commercially successful movie is using one of about five basic plots.
- coolandsmartrr 3y ago
  Could you explain the five basic plots? While the number of plot structures are fairly countable, a plot can still be considered different by changing part of its contents (character, setting, etc.). The decision on whether a plot outright infringes on an existing plot varies case-by-case. An example of outright copying is "Fistful of Dollars" directed by Sergio Leone, which lifts the plot from "Yojinbo" by Akira Kurosawa.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    1. David vs. Goliath 2. Romeo and Juliet 3. Robin Hood 4. Crime and Punishment 5. maybe there are only four.
    - hnben 3y ago
      > 5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
    - coolandsmartrr 3y ago
      Interesting. Is there a consensus of these story archetypes among writers?
- cypherpunks01 3y ago
  Fair use doctrine has a lot of nuanced case law. I believe fair use has to be "transformative" upon the original, and it also cannot act as a market substitute for the original. E.g. if a new movie is substantially the same as an old movie, not transformative (e.g. like commentary or parody) and could reasonably be viewed as a market substitute for the old movie, then it'd probably be considered unfair use.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> He obviously can't copy the plot from Die Hard I dunno, as long as you swap out genre tropes, make slight changes of geography, and/or change a few plot points, coolpying plot is routine in Hollywood.

by bko 3y ago

SoftTalker 3y ago

What do you mean he can't copy the plot? Any commercially successful movie is using one of about five basic plots.

coolandsmartrr 3y ago
Could you explain the five basic plots? While the number of plot structures are fairly countable, a plot can still be considered different by changing part of its contents (character, setting, etc.). The decision on whether a plot outright infringes on an existing plot varies case-by-case. An example of outright copying is "Fistful of Dollars" directed by Sergio Leone, which lifts the plot from "Yojinbo" by Akira Kurosawa.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  1. David vs. Goliath 2. Romeo and Juliet 3. Robin Hood 4. Crime and Punishment 5. maybe there are only four.
  - hnben 3y ago
    > 5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
  - coolandsmartrr 3y ago
    Interesting. Is there a consensus of these story archetypes among writers?
cypherpunks01 3y ago
Fair use doctrine has a lot of nuanced case law. I believe fair use has to be "transformative" upon the original, and it also cannot act as a market substitute for the original. E.g. if a new movie is substantially the same as an old movie, not transformative (e.g. like commentary or parody) and could reasonably be viewed as a market substitute for the old movie, then it'd probably be considered unfair use.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> He obviously can't copy the plot from Die Hard I dunno, as long as you swap out genre tropes, make slight changes of geography, and/or change a few plot points, coolpying plot is routine in Hollywood.