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He knows that. I suspect he is implying that I have nothing to complain about because it is a free service, which is a pretty vacuous argument.
by lazyasciiart 3y ago
He knows that. I suspect he is implying that I have nothing to complain about because it is a free service, which is a pretty vacuous argument.
- tptacek 3y agoIt's a response to your expectation of personalized service.
- lazyasciiart 3y agoMy expectation is that he describes his level of personalized service the same way in private emails as in public comments. If you find that expectation overly haughty, well, you know where the refund button is.
- bowsamic 3y agoI think you need to take a basic class in ethics if you think ethics are determined entirely by rights and law
- pvg 3y agoA stranger providing you a service for free doesn't have an ethical obligation to answer your emails.
- bowsamic 3y agoPersonally I think they do
- shadowgovt 3y agoI'd be interested to learn more about the moral framework that arrives at such a conclusion. Broadly speaking, the hacker ethos has relied on a "share and enjoy" metric, a direct reference to a bit from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. People sometimes forget that the bit goes on to offer specific suggestions for those who are receiving something for free and have complaints regarding the flavor directed at the provider.
- bowsamic 3y agoI think that even if you offer a service for free you are obliged to offer a level of quality and support, much like how you can’t just sell poisonous ice cream. I don’t believe in “share and enjoy” and I don’t think that “warranty free” is morally good
- shadowgovt 3y ago> you can't sell poisonous ice cream There's licensing around selling food. I wouldn't be against "license to practice software development," but I'd note that (a) that's a very different world than the one we live in and (b) I don't know that most of the open source software we enjoy, hack on, and bemoan would exist in a universe where licensing standards made every software engineer who had authored it beholden to a minimum standard of quality before distributing it. Would apache have survived in a world where software engineers, or their software, had to be quality-certified? Would MySQL? Would Linux?
- bowsamic 3y agoAgain, law is not morality. > Would apache have survived in a world where software engineers, or their software, had to be quality-certified? Would MySQL? Would Linux? Yes
- pvg 3y agohttps://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44049/a-man-said-to-the-universe https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44049/a-man-said-to-t...
- bowsamic 3y agoIt actually has, that sense of obligation is me, since I am the universe
- shadowgovt 3y agoOther independent observers may disagree on your self-assessment.
- bowsamic 3y agoIf they think that I’m not the universe, they’re wrong
- lapcat 3y agoMany or most so-called "free" services, e.g., Twitter, Facebook, etc., are a front for another money-making scheme. If you're not the customer, you're the product. Hacker News is an advertisement for Y Combinator. Let's not pretend that this is a charity. It's also worth noting that the operators of such "free" services don't publicly take the haughty attitude of "if you don't like the service, you can have a refund of $0". You'll never hear that rhetoric from dang. They want people to use their services. Only unaffiliated outside defenders use that rhetoric.
- tptacek 3y agoThe operator of the service hasn't taken that haughty attitude. A fellow user of the service has. They're feeling haughtier by the minute, it seems.
- lapcat 3y ago> They're feeling haughtier by the minute, it seems. Who are you referring to? I'm not the one who requested a response from the moderators.