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If deepfake porn becomes trivial to generate, doesn't that by definition make all revenge and extortion porn worthless because now anybody can make porn of anyb

If deepfake porn becomes trivial to generate, doesn't that by definition make all revenge and extortion porn worthless because now anybody can make porn of anybody else? It seems like a natural continuation of being able to Photoshop people's faces onto strangers in compromising situations. Is this not just a better version of that? Seems like fighting it would only make fake porn more valuable and dangerous.

cuttysnark 3y ago
> natural continuation of being able to Photoshop people's faces This is where I'm at as well, where it differs IMO is: the throughput/variety and the zero barrier to entry—even the most gifted 'shopper could only work so fast and with whatever available media. It would be possible to deconstruct the image to know face from X, background from Y. And still, virtually all photoshops have "tells" — they're "off" with regard to lighting, perspective, etc. and it varies from artist to artist. Tools exist that can tell which pixels were "disturbed" or otherwise inconsistent with the rest of the image. Being able to spot a Photoshopped image is an internet joke and true life skill—"it's a 'shop. I can tell by the pixels and from years of seeing 'shops" AI-generated images removes the maker's mark, and despite hilariously struggling with anatomy, seldom gets lighting or coloring "wrong" in a way that a human might.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
  That's all sensible. My point still remains that when the cost, time and technical competence of generating fake porn of someone approach 0, and everybody knows it, then the value of whatever porn you might have of that person is also 0, which is the state we ultimately want to get to. Same thing with voice, we're almost at the point where anybody can spoof anybody else's voice with barely any effort. We're going to get used to a world where voices mean nothing.
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htss2013 3y ago
Or maybe it will become more scarce and "valuable" due to behavioral changes. Eg, if having a bunch of photos of a person is tantamount to having a bunch of porn out there of them, maybe people will become much more protective of their image. Maybe they will react to being photographed in public in the same way they'd react today if someone tried to stick a camera under their skirt. Maybe public figures will all just accept that this is going to happen to them, but it doesn't follow that everyone else would accept it. Maybe photos, any kind of normal photo, will be seen as a sensitive personal item you'd never willingly release to the public. It sounds strange to say people will no longer allow photos of themselves, but is that really more strange than saying everyone will accept hyper realistic AI porn of everyone is floating around?

cuttysnark 3y ago

> natural continuation of being able to Photoshop people's faces This is where I'm at as well, where it differs IMO is: the throughput/variety and the zero barrier to entry—even the most gifted 'shopper could only work so fast and with whatever available media. It would be possible to deconstruct the image to know face from X, background from Y. And still, virtually all photoshops have "tells" — they're "off" with regard to lighting, perspective, etc. and it varies from artist to artist. Tools exist that can tell which pixels were "disturbed" or otherwise inconsistent with the rest of the image. Being able to spot a Photoshopped image is an internet joke and true life skill—"it's a 'shop. I can tell by the pixels and from years of seeing 'shops" AI-generated images removes the maker's mark, and despite hilariously struggling with anatomy, seldom gets lighting or coloring "wrong" in a way that a human might.

8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
That's all sensible. My point still remains that when the cost, time and technical competence of generating fake porn of someone approach 0, and everybody knows it, then the value of whatever porn you might have of that person is also 0, which is the state we ultimately want to get to. Same thing with voice, we're almost at the point where anybody can spoof anybody else's voice with barely any effort. We're going to get used to a world where voices mean nothing.
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htss2013 3y ago

Or maybe it will become more scarce and "valuable" due to behavioral changes. Eg, if having a bunch of photos of a person is tantamount to having a bunch of porn out there of them, maybe people will become much more protective of their image. Maybe they will react to being photographed in public in the same way they'd react today if someone tried to stick a camera under their skirt. Maybe public figures will all just accept that this is going to happen to them, but it doesn't follow that everyone else would accept it. Maybe photos, any kind of normal photo, will be seen as a sensitive personal item you'd never willingly release to the public. It sounds strange to say people will no longer allow photos of themselves, but is that really more strange than saying everyone will accept hyper realistic AI porn of everyone is floating around?