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Time and again I keep being impressed with your selfless commitment to building and sharing things in the most humane and long-term way. A beautiful example to

by ilyin 3y ago

Time and again I keep being impressed with your selfless commitment to building and sharing things in the most humane and long-term way. A beautiful example to set, thanks.

LorenDB 3y ago
> Time and again I keep being impressed with your selfless commitment to building and sharing things in the most humane and long-term way. And yet they haven't open sourced the app. That would be truly humane and long-term. As it is, it's just another proprietary app that, if it dies, can't be continued by the community. I don't think monetary issues should be a concern with open sourcing the app - companies like Bitwarden, Gitlab, and New Vector (the company behind Matrix) are doing just fine with their open source products.
- brightball 3y ago
  If it dies I’ll still have all of my content in easily portable markdown though.
  - hotstickyballs 3y ago
    Exactly this. I don’t really care if google drive or Dropbox is closed source. Why would I? I’ll just use syncthing (open sourced alternative) if shit hits the fan. Let them earn their money by providing bandwidth, safe storage and file versioning.
  - nstart 3y ago
    And especially awesome is that all their enhancements like properties and daily notes make use of markdown or json rather than closed binary/hard to reverse xml formats. Any app could replicate the functionality if it wanted to and it would be portable next minute. The only thing that is kind of locked is the plugin but that’s outside of scope.
- rexpop 3y ago
  Under capitalism, it's reasonable to charge for products and services. The jury is still out on "companies like Bitwarden, Gitlab, and New Vector". Kudos to them for pioneering novel business models.
  - slj 3y ago
    Interesting. In regards to your first point, do you have justification to back your claim? I’d be interested in reading more, or perhaps seeing an example?
    - mind-blight 3y ago
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  - LorenDB 3y ago
    I'd hardly say the jury is still out - Bitwarden has been around for 7 years, GitLab for 9, and New Vector for 6. Granted, they may not have reached the level of success that some software companies have, and they certainly could still fail, but 6-9 years of operation with a foreseeable future of success in the technology world seems like a pretty successful business to me.
- abnry 3y ago
  The kind of comment really, really rubs me the wrong way. Your data isn't locked up in a format. Just use logseq or something if obsidian disappears. Those who write the code have the right to control its source code. They aren't "inhumane" or thinking "short-term" just because its not open source.
  - LorenDB 3y ago
    Well, I would agree that "humane" is a poor term to use when describing software in general, but especially for open vs. closed source. I also realize that my comment was a bit harsh on Obsidian. I think they have a fine thing going (although I personally don't need note taking software like that); I just would love to see more and more software become open source and I think this would be a prime candidate for open sourcing.
    - sdf4j 3y ago
      There are plenty open source md note taking apps you can chose from. I don’t see why the tantrum for a tool you don’t even use. Are you doing a guilt trip for every closed source app shown here?

by ilyin 3y ago

Time and again I keep being impressed with your selfless commitment to building and sharing things in the most humane and long-term way. A beautiful example to set, thanks.

LorenDB 3y ago

> Time and again I keep being impressed with your selfless commitment to building and sharing things in the most humane and long-term way. And yet they haven't open sourced the app. That would be truly humane and long-term. As it is, it's just another proprietary app that, if it dies, can't be continued by the community. I don't think monetary issues should be a concern with open sourcing the app - companies like Bitwarden, Gitlab, and New Vector (the company behind Matrix) are doing just fine with their open source products.

brightball 3y ago
If it dies I’ll still have all of my content in easily portable markdown though.
- hotstickyballs 3y ago
  Exactly this. I don’t really care if google drive or Dropbox is closed source. Why would I? I’ll just use syncthing (open sourced alternative) if shit hits the fan. Let them earn their money by providing bandwidth, safe storage and file versioning.
- nstart 3y ago
  And especially awesome is that all their enhancements like properties and daily notes make use of markdown or json rather than closed binary/hard to reverse xml formats. Any app could replicate the functionality if it wanted to and it would be portable next minute. The only thing that is kind of locked is the plugin but that’s outside of scope.
rexpop 3y ago
Under capitalism, it's reasonable to charge for products and services. The jury is still out on "companies like Bitwarden, Gitlab, and New Vector". Kudos to them for pioneering novel business models.
- slj 3y ago
  Interesting. In regards to your first point, do you have justification to back your claim? I’d be interested in reading more, or perhaps seeing an example?
  - mind-blight 3y ago
    [flagged]
- LorenDB 3y ago
  I'd hardly say the jury is still out - Bitwarden has been around for 7 years, GitLab for 9, and New Vector for 6. Granted, they may not have reached the level of success that some software companies have, and they certainly could still fail, but 6-9 years of operation with a foreseeable future of success in the technology world seems like a pretty successful business to me.
abnry 3y ago
The kind of comment really, really rubs me the wrong way. Your data isn't locked up in a format. Just use logseq or something if obsidian disappears. Those who write the code have the right to control its source code. They aren't "inhumane" or thinking "short-term" just because its not open source.
- LorenDB 3y ago
  Well, I would agree that "humane" is a poor term to use when describing software in general, but especially for open vs. closed source. I also realize that my comment was a bit harsh on Obsidian. I think they have a fine thing going (although I personally don't need note taking software like that); I just would love to see more and more software become open source and I think this would be a prime candidate for open sourcing.
  - sdf4j 3y ago
    There are plenty open source md note taking apps you can chose from. I don’t see why the tantrum for a tool you don’t even use. Are you doing a guilt trip for every closed source app shown here?