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Those are pretty standard Intel cards installed on laptops with Intel CPUs. ax201 or something. If "nothing-ever-works-without-fiddling" Linux is able to ship d

Those are pretty standard Intel cards installed on laptops with Intel CPUs. ax201 or something. If "nothing-ever-works-without-fiddling" Linux is able to ship drivers for that card and work out of the box, I don't see why windows couldn't ship with drivers for that, especially since they seem to get updates via Windows update, so ms has them. Plus, if you're going to force people to use an internet account, maybe make sure that they'll actually be able to get online? Or maybe the whole point of not supporting the touchpad was to weed off the faint of heart and send them off to Linux?

justsomehnguy 3y ago
> Those are pretty standard Intel cards installed on laptops with Intel CPUs. ax201 or something If they were 'pretty standard' then they would be in the default list of drivers shipped with install media. If they weren't in the install media then: your media is older than the drivers your device isn't 'standard' device vendor doesn't give a shit if you can reinstall Windows and get the working WiFi out of the box > , I don't see why windows couldn't ship with drivers for that Because Intel does not give a fuck. It's that simple and it is borderline ridiculous how linux fanboys can't accept what Windows has a completely different driver model compared to built-in-the-kernel way of Linux. And again, where did you got your install media for Windows? Directly from https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 ? Somewhere else? > Or maybe the whole point of not supporting the touchpad Can you ask Synaptic (or whoever made that touchpad) why there is no drivers for their touchpad in the default Windows install media or why it's not just a simple HID pointing device? Or again that's Nadella's fault or whoever at the lead now?
- callalex 3y ago
  Your combative behavior here is entirely unwarranted. The only person blaming random chief executives here is you. If the drivers work fine in a standard Linux install, it is obviously not some obscure hardware setup.
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    Repeat after me: Linux has a different driver model than Windows. If you don't know why Linux-way doesn't work in Windows and you want to know - you can look at my sibling comment. > Your combative behavior here is entirely unwarranted What is really unwarranted is 'but it works in Linux1111' without thinking. > If the drivers work fine in a standard Linux install Ah, yes, work so good you need to disable RST completely to install Linux: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233623/workaround-to-install-ubuntu-20-04-with-intel-rst-systems https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233623/workaround-to-instal...
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  > And again, where did you got your install media for Windows? Directly from https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 ? Somewhere else? Somewhere else: https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/software-download/windows11 https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/software-download/windows11 This was Windows 11, downloaded in June 2023 or something like that. I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall. > your media is older than the drivers No it's not, see below. > Because Intel does not give a fuck. Fair enough. Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update? This has worked ever since I bought the PC three years ago. So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older.
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    (see the addendum) > Somewhere else Heh. > Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update Because it asks WU about all PCI\VEN&DEV&SUBSYS&REV found in the system and WU responds with the specific drivers it has for these devices. Remember, there is no 'generic' drivers in Windows, like in Linux. > So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". Well, yes. Now the question why these aren't included in the OS. Don't have Win11 at hand (and probably wouldn't at least for some time, lol). Back in the day MS gathered info about the most common devices at the market, to include them in the OS distro. So with a wireless chipset made in '19 the question is who to blame, vendor or OS mfg. Considering how hostile Intel to the customers I wouldn't be surprised it's them. BTW you can open Device Manager pretend to replace the driver, select 'I would select manually' and see all the drivers OS has. On your running system you would see those you installed too, but on a clean system you would see only bundled ones. On my notebook I have a Realtek NIC, so the Intel drivers are the ones what was bundled with Win10 install media (and maaaybe some updates?) and I have there: Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX101 Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX201 160MHz So... can you post the PCI ID of your card? It wouldn't do a shit for you but maybe there is something there. It can be found in Device Manager, open the properties of the NIC, Details tab, Hardware Ids. > I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall Do you just download an .ISO or do you use the 'Installation Assistant'? There are some shenanigans with that tool. > And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older Or something had rotten in Seattle or somehow Windows bundled drivers are more specific ones than the ones from the vendor site. I heard about that but I don't remember ever witnessing this myself. If anything, I needed to that manually, because Intel drivers for 'Intel(R) Wireless-N 7260' are so shitty what the ones bundled with Windows (with Intel copyright from 2011) are way more stable (but not stable enough, sigh) than ANY later revisions from the Intel site. ADD: Okay, for the sake of it: I've got my hands on Win11 and it DOES have some drivers for AX201: https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM So the question about the PCI ID of your card.

justsomehnguy 3y ago

> Those are pretty standard Intel cards installed on laptops with Intel CPUs. ax201 or something If they were 'pretty standard' then they would be in the default list of drivers shipped with install media. If they weren't in the install media then: your media is older than the drivers your device isn't 'standard' device vendor doesn't give a shit if you can reinstall Windows and get the working WiFi out of the box > , I don't see why windows couldn't ship with drivers for that Because Intel does not give a fuck. It's that simple and it is borderline ridiculous how linux fanboys can't accept what Windows has a completely different driver model compared to built-in-the-kernel way of Linux. And again, where did you got your install media for Windows? Directly from https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 ? Somewhere else? > Or maybe the whole point of not supporting the touchpad Can you ask Synaptic (or whoever made that touchpad) why there is no drivers for their touchpad in the default Windows install media or why it's not just a simple HID pointing device? Or again that's Nadella's fault or whoever at the lead now?

callalex 3y ago
Your combative behavior here is entirely unwarranted. The only person blaming random chief executives here is you. If the drivers work fine in a standard Linux install, it is obviously not some obscure hardware setup.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  Repeat after me: Linux has a different driver model than Windows. If you don't know why Linux-way doesn't work in Windows and you want to know - you can look at my sibling comment. > Your combative behavior here is entirely unwarranted What is really unwarranted is 'but it works in Linux1111' without thinking. > If the drivers work fine in a standard Linux install Ah, yes, work so good you need to disable RST completely to install Linux: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233623/workaround-to-install-ubuntu-20-04-with-intel-rst-systems https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233623/workaround-to-instal...
vladvasiliu 3y ago
> And again, where did you got your install media for Windows? Directly from https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 ? Somewhere else? Somewhere else: https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/software-download/windows11 https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/software-download/windows11 This was Windows 11, downloaded in June 2023 or something like that. I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall. > your media is older than the drivers No it's not, see below. > Because Intel does not give a fuck. Fair enough. Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update? This has worked ever since I bought the PC three years ago. So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  (see the addendum) > Somewhere else Heh. > Then how come windows magically knows to install all those drivers, Wi-Fi and touchpad, if I plug in a USB network adapter, and it only connects to Windows update Because it asks WU about all PCI\VEN&DEV&SUBSYS&REV found in the system and WU responds with the specific drivers it has for these devices. Remember, there is no 'generic' drivers in Windows, like in Linux. > So no, the devices "aren't brand new", intel didn't "just send them to MS yesterday" or "not at all". Well, yes. Now the question why these aren't included in the OS. Don't have Win11 at hand (and probably wouldn't at least for some time, lol). Back in the day MS gathered info about the most common devices at the market, to include them in the OS distro. So with a wireless chipset made in '19 the question is who to blame, vendor or OS mfg. Considering how hostile Intel to the customers I wouldn't be surprised it's them. BTW you can open Device Manager pretend to replace the driver, select 'I would select manually' and see all the drivers OS has. On your running system you would see those you installed too, but on a clean system you would see only bundled ones. On my notebook I have a Realtek NIC, so the Intel drivers are the ones what was bundled with Win10 install media (and maaaybe some updates?) and I have there: Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX101 Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX201 160MHz So... can you post the PCI ID of your card? It wouldn't do a shit for you but maybe there is something there. It can be found in Device Manager, open the properties of the NIC, Details tab, Hardware Ids. > I always create a new USB drive when I reinstall Do you just download an .ISO or do you use the 'Installation Assistant'? There are some shenanigans with that tool. > And if I manually install the drivers out of band by downloading them from intel's website, windows will still install its own over them, even when they are older Or something had rotten in Seattle or somehow Windows bundled drivers are more specific ones than the ones from the vendor site. I heard about that but I don't remember ever witnessing this myself. If anything, I needed to that manually, because Intel drivers for 'Intel(R) Wireless-N 7260' are so shitty what the ones bundled with Windows (with Intel copyright from 2011) are way more stable (but not stable enough, sigh) than ANY later revisions from the Intel site. ADD: Okay, for the sake of it: I've got my hands on Win11 and it DOES have some drivers for AX201: https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM https://imgur.com/a/ozob6kM So the question about the PCI ID of your card.