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> I can’t think of a compelling to use windows outside of gaming. - Office - Adobe - Ableton - Visual Studio

by Tijdreiziger 3y ago

whalesalad 3y ago
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- politelemon 3y ago
  Please read the guidelines on behavior in comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Tijdreiziger 3y ago
  Eh, they're both proprietary OSes. Maybe you're more used to the UI paradigms of one or the other, but other than that, I don't see a strong reason to prefer one or the other. Also, I personally don't use any of these tools except Office, but I'm pretty sure classing developers as having psychological issues based on their language ecosystem choice is against HN guidelines.
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    Under the hood macOS is Unix though... so there is a lot to be said for that. I can run tools like sed, awk, grep right out of the box. As someone who is in a shell 24x7 on multiple remote linux servers it is nice to also have a very similar experience within my local desktop environment.
    - Tijdreiziger 3y ago
      So then you just `wsl --install` and you get a proper Linux distribution. Also get the Windows Terminal from the store and you're off to the races. I honestly consider this a better experience compared to Apple's BSD tools and lack of first-party package manager.
      - whalesalad 3y ago
        if you enjoy using windows, sure this is a perfectly valid option.
      - hulitu 3y ago
        > So then you just `wsl --install` and you get a proper Linux distribution. You mean `wsl --install` will install Slackware on my computer ? /s
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >If I needed all of those tools for my daily workflow I’d be on macOS without hesitation. And how do switch my existing PC from Windows to MacOS, without spending money to buy new proprietary HW in a locked-down unrepairable unupgradable ecosystem that comes with insane markups on RAM and storage? At least Linux, works with what I already have and doesn't require me to spend money on proprietary HW and then spend more money on paid apps just to have some functioning window management out of the box. :drops mic:
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    Why not both? I own a handful of Mac machines, have a server rack in my basement loaded with R720s, and a 13900k beast Debian workstation on my desk. I'll occassionally rotate to my couch or a coffee shop and thanks to the wonders of SSH and wireguard I can access the rack and my workstation from anywhere while still having incredible all-day battery life (M2 Macbook Air). vscode+remote-ssh+tailscale is a killer combo.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >Why not both? Because money. Owning a wide variety of premium HW, especially Apple, is a rare privileged wealthy western position. Most people on the planet own something in the ballpark of a ~$200 Lenovo/Acer as their main machine, so telling them to just buy an Apple and a 13th gen homelab, is like telling them "let them eat cake", especially that due to taxes and tariffs, HW in other countries often costs way more than in the US, despite much MUCH lower wages.
      - whalesalad 3y ago
        If you can afford a $1000 laptop, Apple is the way to go with an M1 Air (cheaper secondhand or with an education discount). If Apple hardware is unaffordable I would certainly opt for Linux.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
- gambiting 3y ago
  >>Visual Studio as a developer for Windows apps is a different story… but then you have much bigger psychological issues I’m untrained to diagnose. WTF are you on about. Games development for PS5/Xbox and Switch only works on Windows, that's where the entire toolchain for these platforms is. It's not just windows apps. I love how so many people on HN like to pretend that Visual Studio isn't the most powerful IDE around, it's a powerhouse for developers and you'd need to pry it out of my cold dead hands.
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    I don't know a single dev who enjoys using Visual Studio. It's a necessary evil. Let's be real here.
    - gambiting 3y ago
      Do you actually know any devs who use Visual Studio? I work in a studio of hundreds of people using VS, been here for nearly a decade, and I'm yet to find someone who thinks VS is anything other than great. Yes it has its issues, like any dev tool, but otherwise it's probably the best piece of software to have come out of Microsoft, as a C++ developer I cannot imagine using anything else, no other IDE comes anywhere near in terms of features and usability.
BitwiseFool 3y ago
I'd also like to add that the Windows user experience is my "native language", if you will. I have no major problems using macOS, but I'm definitely not as fast using it, I find its window management cumbersome, and my muscle memory is constantly misfiring. I've been using Windows since childhood and there's something to be said for the level of familiarity and comfort that comes with that. That being said, I'm terribly frustrated with the direction Microsoft is taking Windows and I hope to stay off of 11 for as long as I can.
pmontra 3y ago
I had to google Ableton.
rebolek 3y ago
I can't comment on Office, Adobe and Visual Studio, but for Ableton or any other DAW, I would certainly choose macOS over Windows. Audio runs much smoother on Mac than on Windows. Lower latency, less dropouts, better overall stability from my experience. Too bad that audio is total joke on Linux. There's very good software, like BitWig and Reaper, but the audio subsystem is total mess doing random stuff all the time. PipeWire seems promising but there are still problems. Maybe one day.
- nullindividual 3y ago
  The Windows Audio Stack had improvements in Win 10 for latency. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/audio/low-latency-audio https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/a...
  - callalex 3y ago
    From personal experience, it definitely got better in Win10 but it is still not as consistently low-latency and stutter-free. I think there are just too many audio pipeline features (some of which are really quite nice and useful for non-music users) built into the OS to provide the same level of baseline performance, and each feature adds more obscure configuration gotchas.
hospitalJail 3y ago
>- Office >- Adobe >- Ableton >- Visual Studio Find alternative software. If those companies aren't compatible on Linux, use one that is. Make sure you send them an email explaining why you are canceling your subscription.
- at_a_remove 3y ago
  That's really not an option for some industries. Mine, for example. When you're in a sufficiently niche market, you can't just "yay open source" your way out of the issue.
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    What industry? And not everything on Linux is open source. My 3D printer is proprietary stuff.
    - at_a_remove 3y ago
      Emergency services.
hulitu 3y ago
> > I can’t think of a compelling to use windows outside of gaming. > - Office In a corporate env maybe. Libreoffice is enough for home use. > - Adobe Only reader. For special pdfs. > - Ableton Never heard about it. > - Visual Studio What's wrong with vim ?
hulitu 3y ago
> - Ableton - Visual Studio Why would someone use both in a corporate env ?

> I can’t think of a compelling to use windows outside of gaming. - Office - Adobe - Ableton - Visual Studio

whalesalad 3y ago

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politelemon 3y ago
Please read the guidelines on behavior in comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Tijdreiziger 3y ago
Eh, they're both proprietary OSes. Maybe you're more used to the UI paradigms of one or the other, but other than that, I don't see a strong reason to prefer one or the other. Also, I personally don't use any of these tools except Office, but I'm pretty sure classing developers as having psychological issues based on their language ecosystem choice is against HN guidelines.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  Under the hood macOS is Unix though... so there is a lot to be said for that. I can run tools like sed, awk, grep right out of the box. As someone who is in a shell 24x7 on multiple remote linux servers it is nice to also have a very similar experience within my local desktop environment.
  - Tijdreiziger 3y ago
    So then you just `wsl --install` and you get a proper Linux distribution. Also get the Windows Terminal from the store and you're off to the races. I honestly consider this a better experience compared to Apple's BSD tools and lack of first-party package manager.
    - whalesalad 3y ago
      if you enjoy using windows, sure this is a perfectly valid option.
    - hulitu 3y ago
      > So then you just `wsl --install` and you get a proper Linux distribution. You mean `wsl --install` will install Slackware on my computer ? /s
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>If I needed all of those tools for my daily workflow I’d be on macOS without hesitation. And how do switch my existing PC from Windows to MacOS, without spending money to buy new proprietary HW in a locked-down unrepairable unupgradable ecosystem that comes with insane markups on RAM and storage? At least Linux, works with what I already have and doesn't require me to spend money on proprietary HW and then spend more money on paid apps just to have some functioning window management out of the box. :drops mic:
- whalesalad 3y ago
  Why not both? I own a handful of Mac machines, have a server rack in my basement loaded with R720s, and a 13900k beast Debian workstation on my desk. I'll occassionally rotate to my couch or a coffee shop and thanks to the wonders of SSH and wireguard I can access the rack and my workstation from anywhere while still having incredible all-day battery life (M2 Macbook Air). vscode+remote-ssh+tailscale is a killer combo.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Why not both? Because money. Owning a wide variety of premium HW, especially Apple, is a rare privileged wealthy western position. Most people on the planet own something in the ballpark of a ~$200 Lenovo/Acer as their main machine, so telling them to just buy an Apple and a 13th gen homelab, is like telling them "let them eat cake", especially that due to taxes and tariffs, HW in other countries often costs way more than in the US, despite much MUCH lower wages.
    - whalesalad 3y ago
      If you can afford a $1000 laptop, Apple is the way to go with an M1 Air (cheaper secondhand or with an education discount). If Apple hardware is unaffordable I would certainly opt for Linux.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
gambiting 3y ago
>>Visual Studio as a developer for Windows apps is a different story… but then you have much bigger psychological issues I’m untrained to diagnose. WTF are you on about. Games development for PS5/Xbox and Switch only works on Windows, that's where the entire toolchain for these platforms is. It's not just windows apps. I love how so many people on HN like to pretend that Visual Studio isn't the most powerful IDE around, it's a powerhouse for developers and you'd need to pry it out of my cold dead hands.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  I don't know a single dev who enjoys using Visual Studio. It's a necessary evil. Let's be real here.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Do you actually know any devs who use Visual Studio? I work in a studio of hundreds of people using VS, been here for nearly a decade, and I'm yet to find someone who thinks VS is anything other than great. Yes it has its issues, like any dev tool, but otherwise it's probably the best piece of software to have come out of Microsoft, as a C++ developer I cannot imagine using anything else, no other IDE comes anywhere near in terms of features and usability.

BitwiseFool 3y ago

I'd also like to add that the Windows user experience is my "native language", if you will. I have no major problems using macOS, but I'm definitely not as fast using it, I find its window management cumbersome, and my muscle memory is constantly misfiring. I've been using Windows since childhood and there's something to be said for the level of familiarity and comfort that comes with that. That being said, I'm terribly frustrated with the direction Microsoft is taking Windows and I hope to stay off of 11 for as long as I can.

pmontra 3y ago

I had to google Ableton.

rebolek 3y ago

I can't comment on Office, Adobe and Visual Studio, but for Ableton or any other DAW, I would certainly choose macOS over Windows. Audio runs much smoother on Mac than on Windows. Lower latency, less dropouts, better overall stability from my experience. Too bad that audio is total joke on Linux. There's very good software, like BitWig and Reaper, but the audio subsystem is total mess doing random stuff all the time. PipeWire seems promising but there are still problems. Maybe one day.

nullindividual 3y ago
The Windows Audio Stack had improvements in Win 10 for latency. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/audio/low-latency-audio https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/a...
- callalex 3y ago
  From personal experience, it definitely got better in Win10 but it is still not as consistently low-latency and stutter-free. I think there are just too many audio pipeline features (some of which are really quite nice and useful for non-music users) built into the OS to provide the same level of baseline performance, and each feature adds more obscure configuration gotchas.

hospitalJail 3y ago

>- Office >- Adobe >- Ableton >- Visual Studio Find alternative software. If those companies aren't compatible on Linux, use one that is. Make sure you send them an email explaining why you are canceling your subscription.

at_a_remove 3y ago
That's really not an option for some industries. Mine, for example. When you're in a sufficiently niche market, you can't just "yay open source" your way out of the issue.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  What industry? And not everything on Linux is open source. My 3D printer is proprietary stuff.
  - at_a_remove 3y ago
    Emergency services.

hulitu 3y ago

> > I can’t think of a compelling to use windows outside of gaming. > - Office In a corporate env maybe. Libreoffice is enough for home use. > - Adobe Only reader. For special pdfs. > - Ableton Never heard about it. > - Visual Studio What's wrong with vim ?

hulitu 3y ago

> - Ableton - Visual Studio Why would someone use both in a corporate env ?