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The world of internet would be a _much_ better place if everyone at least have read this. I tried my best to adhere to these rules in any social network.
by ateng 3y ago
The world of internet would be a _much_ better place if everyone at least have read this. I tried my best to adhere to these rules in any social network.
- Tao3300 3y agoWherever you go, always do unto others as you would do when dang is watching.
- bombcar 3y agoMeaning that about 14 hours out of the day you can do whatever you want muahauahha Up that to 25 hours a day if on IPv6!
- DonHopkins 3y agoFonebone is watching you the other 14 hours. https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/08/22/don-martin-fonebone-is-watching-you https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/08/22/don-martin-foneb...
- 93po 3y agoLeave everywhere slightly better than you found it
- roflyear 3y agoIt is unfortunate that the rules are so vague/up for interpretation, and when you break them, it isn't explained to you that you broke them. The rule just gets cited and there you go.
- kelnos 3y agoI've found that dang is very open to discussion about these sorts of things. He's only an email away, and usually responds quickly.
- lazyasciiart 3y agoI've found the complete opposite: it took years to even get a dismissive response, and longer to get him to actually bother looking into what I wrote. Depends whether you pass his initial guess at whether you have a real issue or are trolling him, apparently.
- tptacek 3y agoI imagine he gets a lot of trolling emails. It can't be easy keeping up with it; I barely keep up with my own email, and I rarely get email.
- roflyear 3y agoWell, yes, I sympathize, but it is his job.
- dang 3y agoI'd be interested in what took years—can you explain? My worst case in terms of responding to emails is a few months—which is terrible, but happens when (a) the inbox is backed up and (b) the request requires more than a little time. It doesn't really depend on whether I think someone's trolling, because the response is usually much the same in either case and anyhow genuine trolling (i.e. totally bad-faith action to provoke or waste time) is relatively rare.
- langsoul-com 3y agoRules have to be vague to some extent no? Because language and people are vague. If it was precise then that'd be a 500 page legal document for site guidelines.
- roflyear 3y agoYes, but if the goal is to help people participate, explaining what they did wrong rather than "we don't do that here" helps. If the goal is "we only want people like us here" then keeping the status quo is good.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoHow would that improve things if only a tiny fraction of users actually remember and understand even half of the 500 pages?
- roflyear 3y agoWhat do you mean by 500 pages?
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThe parent comment your replying to?
- dredmorbius 3y agoThat's in many ways deliberate, and I'd argue to positive effect. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37256792 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37256792> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34032058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34032058> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27307680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27307680>
- roflyear 3y agoExcept, mods don't elaborate.
- dredmorbius 3y agoExcept of course that they do, though given volume and repetitiveness of moderation issues, this isn't in all cases, and often points to earlier threads: A general search showing links to rationale / reasons: <by:dang please don't https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id= https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=> You can also typically search Algolia for "by:dang" + the text used to describe what guideline was transgressed. As I've noted elsewhere, HN operates on frictions and nudges: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37137757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37137757> And you can always email mods for clarification, as has been noted several times already in this thread. Dang explicitly includes this option when banning established accounts in many cases. In large part though, HN presumes adult behaviour, which includes the ability and inclination to research for yourself what you might have done wrong.
- roflyear 3y agoWe're not talking about immature behavior, I'm specifically talking about things like people who have some disability, or people who are culturally different than the majority of HN, being largely excluded.
- dredmorbius 3y agoThe adult behaviour I'd specified was "the ability and inclination to research for yourself what you might have done wrong". I fail to see at all how this would exclude anyone who might otherwise be capable of productively engaging with HN. If you don't mind a late addition, it's also responding to comments as written, and not as one would prefer for them to have been written, as you're raising an objection not grounded in what I'd said.