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For the uninformed... Before posting any opinion on this, please go learn about ITAR. Companies like SpaceX exist under this umbrella. I have worked under IT

For the uninformed... Before posting any opinion on this, please go learn about ITAR. Companies like SpaceX exist under this umbrella. I have worked under ITAR rules for many years. I've had to go fix ITAR violation disasters at some of these companies. If you have never sat in a conference room with a bunch of lawyers to discuss degrees of exposure and how to repair the damage done by unqualified employees, you likely don't have enough context to voice a valid opinion about any of this. My take: This is a stunt to squeeze Musk where it hurts. Politics at its worst.

guhidalg 3y ago
I too have read the relevant ITAR policies and no where in them does it say you cannot hire non-citizens if your company is engaged in ITAR compliance. As said somewhere else in the comments, if your organization does not have robust systems to segregate employee access based on ITAR status, clearance level, project membership, or any other need-to-know reason, then not hiring US citizens is the least of your concerns.
- robomartin 3y ago
  Like I said: "If you have never sat in a conference room with a bunch of lawyers"... Typical internet. HN isn't immune. Some of us actually live the reality of what is being discussed, others think that a google search makes them experts. It's like people making categorical statements about business when they never ran anything even close to a non-trivial business.
myko 3y ago
Your take is ill informed. SpaceX have already corrected their mistake. Check their job postings, they've complied with the legal requirement: https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/6858296002?gh_jid=6858296002 https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/6858296002?gh_jid=6... This is pretty standard stuff. Next they'll pay a fine based on the outcome of the DOJs filing here, because they were not in compliance previously. It's kind of terrifying to see so folks jump to conclusions like this.
- robomartin 3y ago
  > Your take is ill informed. Your comment is ill informed. My comment has nothing whatsoever to do with what you just said.

guhidalg 3y ago

I too have read the relevant ITAR policies and no where in them does it say you cannot hire non-citizens if your company is engaged in ITAR compliance. As said somewhere else in the comments, if your organization does not have robust systems to segregate employee access based on ITAR status, clearance level, project membership, or any other need-to-know reason, then not hiring US citizens is the least of your concerns.

robomartin 3y ago
Like I said: "If you have never sat in a conference room with a bunch of lawyers"... Typical internet. HN isn't immune. Some of us actually live the reality of what is being discussed, others think that a google search makes them experts. It's like people making categorical statements about business when they never ran anything even close to a non-trivial business.

myko 3y ago

Your take is ill informed. SpaceX have already corrected their mistake. Check their job postings, they've complied with the legal requirement: https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/6858296002?gh_jid=6858296002 https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/6858296002?gh_jid=6... This is pretty standard stuff. Next they'll pay a fine based on the outcome of the DOJs filing here, because they were not in compliance previously. It's kind of terrifying to see so folks jump to conclusions like this.

robomartin 3y ago
> Your take is ill informed. Your comment is ill informed. My comment has nothing whatsoever to do with what you just said.