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99.9% species to ever exist have gone extinct. Just because we see one happening in front of us with expensive measuring equipment doesn't mean much. This has
by Transpire7487 3y ago
99.9% species to ever exist have gone extinct. Just because we see one happening in front of us with expensive measuring equipment doesn't mean much.
This has big "the polar bears are starving" because of climate change vibes.
- stouset 3y agoThis would be incredibly insightful if only we didn’t know that the current rate of extinction is extremely high, and on par with (if not exceeding) that of other mass extinction periods in our planet’s history.
- myshpa 3y ago> the current rate of extinction is extremely high, and on par with (if not exceeding) that of other mass extinction periods in our planet’s history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction "The current rate of extinction of species is estimated at 100 to 1,000 times higher than natural background extinction rates, and is increasing" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-70-of-animal-populations-wiped-out-since-1970-report-reveals-aoe https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-7... Animal populations experience average decline of almost 70% since 1970, report reveals
- virgildotcodes 3y ago100% of all people who have ever lived have died. Does this mean we don't draw attention to genocide?
- Transpire7487 3y agoThere's no such thing as genocide in the (non-human) animal kingdom. There is only natural selection.
- virgildotcodes 3y agoYou've completely sidestepped the analogy and are just talking past me.
- Transpire7487 3y agoThe analogy is nonsense.
- virgildotcodes 3y agoI’ll lay it out for you more explicitly: Animals have always died as a part of nature, therefore we shouldn’t care about humans causing extinctions. Is the same as saying: Humans have always died as a part of nature, therefore we shouldn’t care about humans causing genocides. Is this an intelligent way to think?
- rybosworld 3y agoThe most exhausting aspect of climate denial is the rehashing of bad faith arguments that have, for all intents and purposes, been refuted hundreds of times.
- Transpire7487 3y agoI don't deny climate change. Quite the opposite. I just don't believe there's anything we can actually do about it. Seems a lot of the climate fanatics also agree with me, because we've passed many of their so-called "points of no return" and failed to achieve anything that would have averted them. Seems to me that we should be trying to make people's lives easier in the meantime, rather than making them miserable and poor with bonkers legislation, regulation and taxes.
- mort96 3y agoUntil the prognosis is "100% chance of the imminent death of all humans", there will always be something we can do. We have passed "points of no return" meaning we won't avoid all consequences of climate change, but climate change isn't a binary "either we're fine or everybody dies" kind of thing. The more we reduce emissions, the fewer people will ultimately die from climate change, the fewer people will be displaced as climate refugees, the fewer people will have their quality of life reduced, the slower the changes will occur, etc. In terms of outcomes, "climate change is real but nothing we could do would have any effect" is identical to "climate change is fake", which is why you're getting lumped in with the deniers.
- Transpire7487 3y agoThis fails to take into account the reduced quality of life from implementing things like carbon taxes and other regulations that increase the costs of everyday goods and services, ultimately increasing the cost of living. Essentially making everyone poorer. Poverty increases your risk of mortality quite substantially. Canada implemented carbon taxes to reduce emissions. Emissions still rose and everything just became more expensive.
- mort96 3y agoMass extinction events are generally not good for the animals which happen to exist during them. As one such animal, I would prefer if we tried to limit the damage.
- BeetleB 3y agoAlso, for reference, thousands of animals die in the annual wildfires.
- Transpire7487 3y agoAnd thousands of animals also die due to industrial agriculture.
- myshpa 3y agoEspecially due to animal agriculture (80% of agricultural lands). Animal ag is the leading driver of biodiversity loss, deforestation, droughts, water usage, eutrophication etc. We could switch to plant-based diets, reforest the pastures (the size of both Americas) and stop climate change (together with phase-out of fossil fuels) and store enough carbon in those forests to cause new little ice age and reverse the warming.
- rand0mx1 3y agoThere are many technologies which are inspired by animals found in nature as they have adapted several features after many generations, all such knowledge will be lost.
- Transpire7487 3y agoIf I create a new kind of tool based on the beak of an emperor penguin, that tool doesn't suddenly vanish if emperor penguins go extinct.