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it's a top tier sarcasm. recycling plastic does nothing, United States of America is known to export its garbage, literal garbage, to bumfuck nowhere country ac

by lemper 3y ago

it's a top tier sarcasm. recycling plastic does nothing, United States of America is known to export its garbage, literal garbage, to bumfuck nowhere country across the pond. whoever you elect to the office, lobbyists already bought their asses before day one. technical solution is never the answer of this problem.

malnourish 3y ago
> whoever you elect to the office, lobbyists already bought their asses before day one This is a disingenuous attitude; yes, special interests/lobbyists fund far more than (I think) they should, but there are _very_ clearly differences in opinion and legislation amongst political candidates and elected officials.
- lemper 3y ago
  alright, i'll ammend my reply. republican politicians are assholes who don't care about imminent catastrophe while democrat politicians care a little more about it but still do nothing effective about it.
  - briandear 3y ago
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    - mort96 3y ago
      Right but if you look at data and scientific consensus rather than focusing on the media's catastrophizing, you see a much clearer, consistent image of a real problem. Also what's this preferred left wing candidate who promises to alter the means of production..? If you're talking about the US, all potential candidates for both major parties are in favor of a capitalist mode of production. Not that this would have any impact at all, even if there were major parties which tried to use climate change as an argument in favor of socialism, that would have no effect on whether or not climate change is a real problem.
    - bitwize 3y ago
      And do you know what prevented further ozone layer catastrophe? When leaders around the world got together and, without input from the people, voted to ban CFCs because the science was clear that CFC pollution was the problem. Government regulation works. It solves environmental problems like ozone layer depletion. What COVID showed us is that individual freedom is an illusion we choose to believe in when times are good and energy is cheap. There are no libertarians in a crisis. If we want to solve the climate crisis -- really solve it, not pretend to try to solve it while supporting the status quo -- governments are going to have to impose drastic restrictions the public will not like.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      Which is why Exxon's internal research made accurate predictions about CO2 quantities and resulting temperature increases all the way back in the 70s right? Because Exxon is a liberal think tank attempting to get liberals elected?

by lemper 3y ago

malnourish 3y ago

> whoever you elect to the office, lobbyists already bought their asses before day one This is a disingenuous attitude; yes, special interests/lobbyists fund far more than (I think) they should, but there are _very_ clearly differences in opinion and legislation amongst political candidates and elected officials.

lemper 3y ago
alright, i'll ammend my reply. republican politicians are assholes who don't care about imminent catastrophe while democrat politicians care a little more about it but still do nothing effective about it.
- briandear 3y ago
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  - mort96 3y ago
    Right but if you look at data and scientific consensus rather than focusing on the media's catastrophizing, you see a much clearer, consistent image of a real problem. Also what's this preferred left wing candidate who promises to alter the means of production..? If you're talking about the US, all potential candidates for both major parties are in favor of a capitalist mode of production. Not that this would have any impact at all, even if there were major parties which tried to use climate change as an argument in favor of socialism, that would have no effect on whether or not climate change is a real problem.
  - bitwize 3y ago
    And do you know what prevented further ozone layer catastrophe? When leaders around the world got together and, without input from the people, voted to ban CFCs because the science was clear that CFC pollution was the problem. Government regulation works. It solves environmental problems like ozone layer depletion. What COVID showed us is that individual freedom is an illusion we choose to believe in when times are good and energy is cheap. There are no libertarians in a crisis. If we want to solve the climate crisis -- really solve it, not pretend to try to solve it while supporting the status quo -- governments are going to have to impose drastic restrictions the public will not like.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Which is why Exxon's internal research made accurate predictions about CO2 quantities and resulting temperature increases all the way back in the 70s right? Because Exxon is a liberal think tank attempting to get liberals elected?