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This is why we recycle our plastic, vote carefully every couple years, and wait for technical solutions
by wahnfrieden 3y ago
This is why we recycle our plastic, vote carefully every couple years, and wait for technical solutions
- happytoexplain 3y agoI can't tell if this is sarcasm, and if it is, I can't tell which direction the underlying opinion is leaning in.
- lemper 3y agoit's a top tier sarcasm. recycling plastic does nothing, United States of America is known to export its garbage, literal garbage, to bumfuck nowhere country across the pond. whoever you elect to the office, lobbyists already bought their asses before day one. technical solution is never the answer of this problem.
- malnourish 3y ago> whoever you elect to the office, lobbyists already bought their asses before day one This is a disingenuous attitude; yes, special interests/lobbyists fund far more than (I think) they should, but there are _very_ clearly differences in opinion and legislation amongst political candidates and elected officials.
- lemper 3y agoalright, i'll ammend my reply. republican politicians are assholes who don't care about imminent catastrophe while democrat politicians care a little more about it but still do nothing effective about it.
- briandear 3y ago[flagged]
- mort96 3y agoRight but if you look at data and scientific consensus rather than focusing on the media's catastrophizing, you see a much clearer, consistent image of a real problem. Also what's this preferred left wing candidate who promises to alter the means of production..? If you're talking about the US, all potential candidates for both major parties are in favor of a capitalist mode of production. Not that this would have any impact at all, even if there were major parties which tried to use climate change as an argument in favor of socialism, that would have no effect on whether or not climate change is a real problem.
- bitwize 3y agoAnd do you know what prevented further ozone layer catastrophe? When leaders around the world got together and, without input from the people, voted to ban CFCs because the science was clear that CFC pollution was the problem. Government regulation works. It solves environmental problems like ozone layer depletion. What COVID showed us is that individual freedom is an illusion we choose to believe in when times are good and energy is cheap. There are no libertarians in a crisis. If we want to solve the climate crisis -- really solve it, not pretend to try to solve it while supporting the status quo -- governments are going to have to impose drastic restrictions the public will not like.
- mrguyorama 3y agoWhich is why Exxon's internal research made accurate predictions about CO2 quantities and resulting temperature increases all the way back in the 70s right? Because Exxon is a liberal think tank attempting to get liberals elected?
- dangoor 3y agoResponding specifically to the "vote carefully every couple years" part of this presumably sarcastic remark: I think this kind of throwaway comment belittles the fact that voting _does_ matter. Last night, the Republicans held a primary debate in which none would acknowledge human-caused climate change. Last year, the Democratic party passed the inflation reduction act which puts a bunch of resources into addressing climate change: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act "Recycle our plastic" may be worthless, but voting and acting while also developing technical solutions really does matter.
- wahnfrieden 3y agovoting is at best tactical harm reduction, like plastic recycling. at worst it's a distraction from necessary change, like plastic recycling.
- dangoor 3y agoDo you have a solution for the "necessary change" that does not involve governments? Or are you in the "we're all going to die anyway so it doesn't matter what we do at this point" camp?
- wahnfrieden 3y agosure, and absolutely not
- myshpa 3y agoThe necessary changes are situated on the production side.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoabsolutely
- Julesman 3y agoLOL!!! This HAS to be parody.