"isn't considered desirable by all of your fellow male colleagues either." True, and I was one of them (and one of the few, but it never bothered me that much

"isn't considered desirable by all of your fellow male colleagues either." True, and I was one of them (and one of the few, but it never bothered me that much even if I didn't partake—as it was the cultural norm). It's amazing how people read meanings into comment that was never said let alone meant as subtext. That 'teenager' reference I consider offensive because many of the things you presume I must have been saying I likely never thought let alone ever did say out loud. You clearly aren't of the same generation as me, it's a shame we don't have hidden recordings of those times so you could fully appreciate how truly different they were to the present. Moreover, even then, the ethos was very different depending on what part of society one was in. Such comment was from my experience more common in the military but it was still pretty much accepted the norm in 'polite' all-male company.