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no turn it around your phone just broke/stolen/lost, do you forfeit your right to enter these places and use their services some of which might be "essential"?

by abwizz 3y ago

gspencley 3y ago
This. Apart from not wanting to be tethered to my phone 24/7, I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some. The most terrifying prospect to me is governments that want to switch to digital IDs. No thanks. I don't need to lose access to existence just because my battery died or I forgot my phone at home.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some I also have a cellular Apple Watch that also has a copy of my digital wallet....
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    cool story bro. You must be wealthy
  - kibwen 3y ago
    And once these devices become required for participation in society, is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them, or are they going to become yet another burden suffered disproportionately by the poor, just like car ownership?
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      > is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them Yes https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-support.pdf https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-... And 94% of the homeless have cell phones. I would assume that the penetration of cell phones among the poor and not homeless would be higher. https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-phone-survey/#:~:text=Previous%20research%20from%20Henwood%20suggested,free%20devices%20through%20government%20programs https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-p....
      - LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
        Aren't these preloaded with crap/scamware by shady providers?
sofixa 3y ago
No turn it around, you lose the piece of paper saying you have a yearly pass, do you forfeit your right to enter these places?
- Mordisquitos 3y ago
  Maybe, yes. Lose that piece of paper and you forfeit your right to enter that concert... ...but lose that piece of paper and you haven't also forfeited your right to access your hotel room, to catch the plane back home, to pay for your parking space where you left your car, to take public transport, to enter your gym...
dmazzoni 3y ago
I've never been to such an event where using your smartphone to pay was mandatory, it's usually just much faster and more convenient. At many smaller venues, a credit card (or tap-to-pay) is required, and I'm 100% in favor of that. We should be doing more to help provide unbanked people with credit cards. Requiring small businesses to deal with cash is increasingly a burden; cashless enables them to save a lot of time and money.
- sneak 3y ago
  This is the wrong approach, because the laws around payment cards require they be strongly linked to ID, allowing point and click shutdown/freezing of anyone's ability to transact. When you can't pay a lawyer, and you can't pay a taxi to get to your lawyer, and you can't buy food, and it's all because the government pointed a finger without evidence, prior to trial, the system is a bad one. The ability to use cash must be preserved. You really don't want to live in the world where the only payments are the ones the government explicitly allows.
Karunamon 3y ago
I see it as similar to what happens when your credit card gets messed up or won't read anymore. It's a similar level of inconvenience. That said, I have found it easier to replace a phone on short notice than a card. Banks seem to want to do everything through the mail, where I can walk into any carriers store and walk out with a replacement device the same day.
- kibwen 3y ago
  In the future, how does one pay to replace a lost device at the store after losing the device that is the exclusive holder of all your payment details, as well as the exclusive holder of all the credentials to all your accounts?
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no turn it around your phone just broke/stolen/lost, do you forfeit your right to enter these places and use their services some of which might be "essential"?

by abwizz 3y ago

no turn it around your phone just broke/stolen/lost, do you forfeit your right to enter these places and use their services some of which might be "essential"?

gspencley 3y ago

This. Apart from not wanting to be tethered to my phone 24/7, I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some. The most terrifying prospect to me is governments that want to switch to digital IDs. No thanks. I don't need to lose access to existence just because my battery died or I forgot my phone at home.

scarface_74 3y ago
> I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some I also have a cellular Apple Watch that also has a copy of my digital wallet....
- master-lincoln 3y ago
  cool story bro. You must be wealthy
- kibwen 3y ago
  And once these devices become required for participation in society, is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them, or are they going to become yet another burden suffered disproportionately by the poor, just like car ownership?
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them Yes https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-support.pdf https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-... And 94% of the homeless have cell phones. I would assume that the penetration of cell phones among the poor and not homeless would be higher. https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-phone-survey/#:~:text=Previous%20research%20from%20Henwood%20suggested,free%20devices%20through%20government%20programs https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-p....
    - LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
      Aren't these preloaded with crap/scamware by shady providers?

sofixa 3y ago

No turn it around, you lose the piece of paper saying you have a yearly pass, do you forfeit your right to enter these places?

Mordisquitos 3y ago
Maybe, yes. Lose that piece of paper and you forfeit your right to enter that concert... ...but lose that piece of paper and you haven't also forfeited your right to access your hotel room, to catch the plane back home, to pay for your parking space where you left your car, to take public transport, to enter your gym...

dmazzoni 3y ago

I've never been to such an event where using your smartphone to pay was mandatory, it's usually just much faster and more convenient. At many smaller venues, a credit card (or tap-to-pay) is required, and I'm 100% in favor of that. We should be doing more to help provide unbanked people with credit cards. Requiring small businesses to deal with cash is increasingly a burden; cashless enables them to save a lot of time and money.

sneak 3y ago
This is the wrong approach, because the laws around payment cards require they be strongly linked to ID, allowing point and click shutdown/freezing of anyone's ability to transact. When you can't pay a lawyer, and you can't pay a taxi to get to your lawyer, and you can't buy food, and it's all because the government pointed a finger without evidence, prior to trial, the system is a bad one. The ability to use cash must be preserved. You really don't want to live in the world where the only payments are the ones the government explicitly allows.

Karunamon 3y ago

I see it as similar to what happens when your credit card gets messed up or won't read anymore. It's a similar level of inconvenience. That said, I have found it easier to replace a phone on short notice than a card. Banks seem to want to do everything through the mail, where I can walk into any carriers store and walk out with a replacement device the same day.

kibwen 3y ago
In the future, how does one pay to replace a lost device at the store after losing the device that is the exclusive holder of all your payment details, as well as the exclusive holder of all the credentials to all your accounts?

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