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> Why should I go out of my way because someone made a choice to inconvenience themselves? Why should I go out of my way because someone decided that I now mus
by Mordisquitos 3y ago
> Why should I go out of my way because someone made a choice to inconvenience themselves?
Why should I go out of my way because someone decided that I now must own a smartphone (often iPhone or Google Play required) to do things that we all used to be able to do before without one?
This is just as bad as adding unjustified bureaucratic and procedural requirements to actions that used to be able to be done freely and without hindrance.
- scarface_74 3y ago> Why should I go out of my way because someone decided that I now must own a smartphone (often iPhone or Google Play required) to do things that we all used to be able to do before without one? You don't. You are free to make any life choices you want and suffer the consequences of your life choices as long as they don't affect me.
- uoaei 3y agoIt's hard to believe you are really this "consequences for thee but not for me" about life in general, considering your comment just up-thread, but I suppose it makes sense that such people would exist and be so self-uncritical as to proudly and openly pronounce such beliefs.
- scarface_74 3y agoIf I choose not to sell a product or service in a method that some subset of customers don't find acceptable, I'm losing some amount of revenue. I must think that tradeoff is worth it. If you choose not to use a phone -- but you are obviously capable of using technology if you are posting here -- you are choosing not to do business with me.
- uoaei 3y agoAt the same time, in this hypothetical scenario, you're choosing not to do business with me. It's always going to be a two-way street. Supply and demand are both equal partners in transactional economies.
- scarface_74 3y agoIsn't that what I just said? If I open Scarface's Pork and Spirits, I'm choosing not to do business with observant Muslims. We are both making choices using our free will.
- uoaei 3y agoIndeed if you reread your own comments, that's not what you said. You're attempting to put the onus solely on the consumer.
- scarface_74 3y agoIn either case, I chose to make business decisions that are good for the target demographic that I want to go after. Do you also complain that there isn’t a number that you can call to get an Uber ride and you have to have a cell phone? Or that you can’t call Amazon to place an order like you could when they first came online in the 90s when people were afraid to pay over the web? If either company misses out on few Luddites on HN wearing tin foil hats, their business will go on fine.
- uoaei 3y agoAttempting to retcon your arguments when your previous comments are in plain view is brazen, and essentially bullshitting to avoid admitting any kind of incoherence or mistake on your part. But keep going off, I guess.
- scarface_74 3y agoWhat have I said any different in this entire thread? Both the business and the consumer are free agents. The business gets to decide how they want to conduct their business and the consumer gets to decide if that’s acceptable. Have you ever thought that you might just not have been able to comprehend that argument? You said “consequences for me but not for thee”. We both “suffer” from the consequences of our actions. I lose business from people who don’t want to use a phone and you lose the chance to get a good or service you want
- Mordisquitos 3y agoWhy do you get to impose "consequences" for my life choices? Why can you make the choice to require an app to pay for your parking lot depriving me from the ability to pay in cash —affecting my positive freedom of movement—, while I however must calibrate my life choices so they "don't affect" you? Is it because you are a business and I'm a mere citizen?
- scarface_74 3y ago> Why do you get to impose "consequences" for my life choices? I'm not "imposing" anything. We are both making choices that fit our own priorities. > Why can you make the choice to require an app to pay for your parking lot depriving me from the ability to pay in cash —affecting my positive freedom of movement—, while I however must calibrate my life choices so they "don't affect" you? We are both making choices. I am choosing not to do business with you on the terms that you find acceptable and you are choosing not to do business with me. Should I also accept pesos in the US because you don't want to exchange your pesos for dollars?
- Mordisquitos 3y agoI see. If it's all choices, would you accept the consequences of me interfering with your business operations as much as legal when you unjustifiably expect me to use a smartphone (holding up the line, making a fuss, refusing to tip, etc)? This may slow down income, put off other potential customers, and result in a more stressful workplace resulting in lower staff morale. It appears to be the only choice I have left... ...or I will simply use the power of the state to defend my ability to live a normal life without needing a smartphone, as I live in a country where the people have chosen that consumer protection can be imposed on businesses by Law.
- scarface_74 3y agoYes, because choosing to use the power of the state to impose your belief system has never had bad consequences...