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Has it ever occurred to you that their reasons may be sound? The anxiety and distraction produced by smart phones is well-documented, as is the invasion of pri

Has it ever occurred to you that their reasons may be sound? The anxiety and distraction produced by smart phones is well-documented, as is the invasion of privacy and manipulation. What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash? Why do you feel their lives should be difficult? Why do you want to punish them?

scarface_74 3y ago
And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? > What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. > invasion of privacy Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you.
- omginternets 3y ago
  >Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you. And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Sorry to ask, but are you even informed on this subject? >Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice?
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Then use your phone as a wifi only device and don't buy a phone with an operating system created by an adTech company. > Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice? They are taking responsibility for their own safety by choosing not to accept cash. But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you....
    - uoaei 3y ago
      > But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you.... You're not Batman's parents, you're just a regular person, no one cares what you have in your pockets. It's honestly baffling to me that someone could believe this is a valid assessment of real-life risk.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        You really think that being robbed carrying a days worth of cash to the bank is an unrealistic risk?
        uoaei 3y ago
        Yes. No one has to know what's in your pockets...
        scarface_74 3y ago
        If you're a convenience store owner walking out at night or even while you are in the convenience store. https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores-page-3-0 https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores... https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-convenience-stores/ https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-conven... https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-easy-targets-for-robberies/ https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-...
        Apocryphon 3y ago
        People get robbed for their phones all of the time, which are usually more expensive than what's in their wallets.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        We are talking about business owners taking the cash they make from their business to the bank. We aren’t talking about a few dollars in your wallet. I’m arguing why businesses would want to avoid accepting cash.
- uoaei 3y ago
  No one's talking about banning anything. They're just talking about providing options that satisfy everyone's preferences. It's very much a "yes, and" situation here. Offering physical resources is not mutually exclusive with providing digital means to access those things, too. Please try to engage in the conversation in good faith.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  > And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? Noise pollution and light pollution are both issues that localities have legislated against, yes.

scarface_74 3y ago

And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? > What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. > invasion of privacy Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you.

omginternets 3y ago
>Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you. And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Sorry to ask, but are you even informed on this subject? >Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Then use your phone as a wifi only device and don't buy a phone with an operating system created by an adTech company. > Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice? They are taking responsibility for their own safety by choosing not to accept cash. But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you....
  - uoaei 3y ago
    > But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you.... You're not Batman's parents, you're just a regular person, no one cares what you have in your pockets. It's honestly baffling to me that someone could believe this is a valid assessment of real-life risk.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      You really think that being robbed carrying a days worth of cash to the bank is an unrealistic risk?
      - uoaei 3y ago
        Yes. No one has to know what's in your pockets...
        scarface_74 3y ago
        If you're a convenience store owner walking out at night or even while you are in the convenience store. https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores-page-3-0 https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores... https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-convenience-stores/ https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-conven... https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-easy-targets-for-robberies/ https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-...
        Apocryphon 3y ago
        People get robbed for their phones all of the time, which are usually more expensive than what's in their wallets.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        We are talking about business owners taking the cash they make from their business to the bank. We aren’t talking about a few dollars in your wallet. I’m arguing why businesses would want to avoid accepting cash.
uoaei 3y ago
No one's talking about banning anything. They're just talking about providing options that satisfy everyone's preferences. It's very much a "yes, and" situation here. Offering physical resources is not mutually exclusive with providing digital means to access those things, too. Please try to engage in the conversation in good faith.
Apocryphon 3y ago
> And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? Noise pollution and light pollution are both issues that localities have legislated against, yes.