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This isn’t a zero-sum game. I would like such people to live comfortably, and I can’t help but wonder where your animosity towards them is coming from. It feels

This isn’t a zero-sum game. I would like such people to live comfortably, and I can’t help but wonder where your animosity towards them is coming from. It feels very juvenile.

scarface_74 3y ago
They are choosing not to take advantage of something that could make their life comfortable.
- omginternets 3y ago
  Has it ever occurred to you that their reasons may be sound? The anxiety and distraction produced by smart phones is well-documented, as is the invasion of privacy and manipulation. What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash? Why do you feel their lives should be difficult? Why do you want to punish them?
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? > What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. > invasion of privacy Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you.
    - omginternets 3y ago
      >Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you. And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Sorry to ask, but are you even informed on this subject? >Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice?
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        > And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Then use your phone as a wifi only device and don't buy a phone with an operating system created by an adTech company. > Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice? They are taking responsibility for their own safety by choosing not to accept cash. But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you....
        uoaei 3y ago
        > But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you.... You're not Batman's parents, you're just a regular person, no one cares what you have in your pockets. It's honestly baffling to me that someone could believe this is a valid assessment of real-life risk.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        You really think that being robbed carrying a days worth of cash to the bank is an unrealistic risk?
        uoaei 3y ago
        Yes. No one has to know what's in your pockets...
        scarface_74 3y ago
        If you're a convenience store owner walking out at night or even while you are in the convenience store. https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores-page-3-0 https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores... https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-convenience-stores/ https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-conven... https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-easy-targets-for-robberies/ https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-...
    - uoaei 3y ago
      No one's talking about banning anything. They're just talking about providing options that satisfy everyone's preferences. It's very much a "yes, and" situation here. Offering physical resources is not mutually exclusive with providing digital means to access those things, too. Please try to engage in the conversation in good faith.
    - Apocryphon 3y ago
      > And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? Noise pollution and light pollution are both issues that localities have legislated against, yes.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  Perhaps they are. Why do you have a problem with them making that choice?
- sneak 3y ago
  Smartphones make certain things more comfortable, and certain things way more uncomfortable. Checking the weather? Comfortable. Using modern phones and apps in a way that doesn't compromise one's privacy is very, very uncomfortable. I know because I do it on a regular basis. It's costly and time consuming. Paying cash and not providing tons of PII would be much faster, easier, and more comfortable, and indeed that's what I choose to do in all cases where it is a possibility.

This isn’t a zero-sum game. I would like such people to live comfortably, and I can’t help but wonder where your animosity towards them is coming from. It feels very juvenile.

scarface_74 3y ago

They are choosing not to take advantage of something that could make their life comfortable.

omginternets 3y ago
Has it ever occurred to you that their reasons may be sound? The anxiety and distraction produced by smart phones is well-documented, as is the invasion of privacy and manipulation. What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash? Why do you feel their lives should be difficult? Why do you want to punish them?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? > What makes you so sure you’ve got it right? Why not allow people who choose not to have phones to pay in cash Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. > invasion of privacy Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you.
  - omginternets 3y ago
    >Both Android and more so iOS have plenty of permissions to keep apps from getting information from you. And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Sorry to ask, but are you even informed on this subject? >Because accepting cash has its own risks -- employee theft, getting robbed, etc. Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice?
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      > And there's nothing you can do to prevent your ISP, nor your OS from tracking you. Then use your phone as a wifi only device and don't buy a phone with an operating system created by an adTech company. > Oh, so you think people can't take responsibility for that choice? They are taking responsibility for their own safety by choosing not to accept cash. But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you....
      - uoaei 3y ago
        > But the consequences of being killed because you are carrying cash is a lot greater than worrying about the man tracking you.... You're not Batman's parents, you're just a regular person, no one cares what you have in your pockets. It's honestly baffling to me that someone could believe this is a valid assessment of real-life risk.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        You really think that being robbed carrying a days worth of cash to the bank is an unrealistic risk?
        uoaei 3y ago
        Yes. No one has to know what's in your pockets...
        scarface_74 3y ago
        If you're a convenience store owner walking out at night or even while you are in the convenience store. https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores-page-3-0 https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/robbery-convenience-stores... https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-convenience-stores/ https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/robbers-target-conven... https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-easy-targets-for-robberies/ https://rangerguard.net/blogpost/why-are-convenience-stores-...
  - uoaei 3y ago
    No one's talking about banning anything. They're just talking about providing options that satisfy everyone's preferences. It's very much a "yes, and" situation here. Offering physical resources is not mutually exclusive with providing digital means to access those things, too. Please try to engage in the conversation in good faith.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    > And loud sounds and light blinking also cause problems should we ban that too? Noise pollution and light pollution are both issues that localities have legislated against, yes.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Perhaps they are. Why do you have a problem with them making that choice?
sneak 3y ago
Smartphones make certain things more comfortable, and certain things way more uncomfortable. Checking the weather? Comfortable. Using modern phones and apps in a way that doesn't compromise one's privacy is very, very uncomfortable. I know because I do it on a regular basis. It's costly and time consuming. Paying cash and not providing tons of PII would be much faster, easier, and more comfortable, and indeed that's what I choose to do in all cases where it is a possibility.