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This has not been my experience. Paying for admission to museums/sporting events I apple pay from safari on my phone then am presented with a QR or a pass to ad

This has not been my experience. Paying for admission to museums/sporting events I apple pay from safari on my phone then am presented with a QR or a pass to add to my apple wallet. It's really nice and I much prefer it to standing in line.

abwizz 3y ago
no turn it around your phone just broke/stolen/lost, do you forfeit your right to enter these places and use their services some of which might be "essential"?
- gspencley 3y ago
  This. Apart from not wanting to be tethered to my phone 24/7, I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some. The most terrifying prospect to me is governments that want to switch to digital IDs. No thanks. I don't need to lose access to existence just because my battery died or I forgot my phone at home.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some I also have a cellular Apple Watch that also has a copy of my digital wallet....
    - master-lincoln 3y ago
      cool story bro. You must be wealthy
    - kibwen 3y ago
      And once these devices become required for participation in society, is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them, or are they going to become yet another burden suffered disproportionately by the poor, just like car ownership?
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        > is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them Yes https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-support.pdf https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-... And 94% of the homeless have cell phones. I would assume that the penetration of cell phones among the poor and not homeless would be higher. https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-phone-survey/#:~:text=Previous%20research%20from%20Henwood%20suggested,free%20devices%20through%20government%20programs https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-p....
        LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
        Aren't these preloaded with crap/scamware by shady providers?
- sofixa 3y ago
  No turn it around, you lose the piece of paper saying you have a yearly pass, do you forfeit your right to enter these places?
  - Mordisquitos 3y ago
    Maybe, yes. Lose that piece of paper and you forfeit your right to enter that concert... ...but lose that piece of paper and you haven't also forfeited your right to access your hotel room, to catch the plane back home, to pay for your parking space where you left your car, to take public transport, to enter your gym...
- dmazzoni 3y ago
  I've never been to such an event where using your smartphone to pay was mandatory, it's usually just much faster and more convenient. At many smaller venues, a credit card (or tap-to-pay) is required, and I'm 100% in favor of that. We should be doing more to help provide unbanked people with credit cards. Requiring small businesses to deal with cash is increasingly a burden; cashless enables them to save a lot of time and money.
  - sneak 3y ago
    This is the wrong approach, because the laws around payment cards require they be strongly linked to ID, allowing point and click shutdown/freezing of anyone's ability to transact. When you can't pay a lawyer, and you can't pay a taxi to get to your lawyer, and you can't buy food, and it's all because the government pointed a finger without evidence, prior to trial, the system is a bad one. The ability to use cash must be preserved. You really don't want to live in the world where the only payments are the ones the government explicitly allows.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  I see it as similar to what happens when your credit card gets messed up or won't read anymore. It's a similar level of inconvenience. That said, I have found it easier to replace a phone on short notice than a card. Banks seem to want to do everything through the mail, where I can walk into any carriers store and walk out with a replacement device the same day.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    In the future, how does one pay to replace a lost device at the store after losing the device that is the exclusive holder of all your payment details, as well as the exclusive holder of all the credentials to all your accounts?
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iksm 3y ago
One day or an other, your proprietary pocket tracker and his mandatory connectivity will fail. What if the device is broken (yah, go buy another) ? What if the upstream service don't work ? What if the GSM network is locally in maintenance ? Overall, why should we require obsolete-when-bought, extremely costly and polluting locked-down devices you don't even control to access public places ? So why, any concrete response capable of holding up in practice ?
- llbeansandrice 3y ago
  Not to discount the other issues, but apple wallet being offline is one of my favorite features and side-steps many of the issues related to connectivity of bandwidth issues when you're at a large event/venue. It would be much better to have varied and robust options though.
  - iksm 3y ago
    Glad this feature works for you. What works for me, if I need to pay something: I use my credit card (contactless under 50, over I need to type a code) or some bills which both are in my physical wallet (protected against rfid, it just looks as a normal wallet). I don't see any benefits adding third parties to the mix apart the fashion of "Oh yeah I can pay with my tracker watch". I just see that as really pathetic.

abwizz 3y ago

no turn it around your phone just broke/stolen/lost, do you forfeit your right to enter these places and use their services some of which might be "essential"?

gspencley 3y ago
This. Apart from not wanting to be tethered to my phone 24/7, I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some. The most terrifying prospect to me is governments that want to switch to digital IDs. No thanks. I don't need to lose access to existence just because my battery died or I forgot my phone at home.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some I also have a cellular Apple Watch that also has a copy of my digital wallet....
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    cool story bro. You must be wealthy
  - kibwen 3y ago
    And once these devices become required for participation in society, is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them, or are they going to become yet another burden suffered disproportionately by the poor, just like car ownership?
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      > is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them Yes https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-support.pdf https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-... And 94% of the homeless have cell phones. I would assume that the penetration of cell phones among the poor and not homeless would be higher. https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-phone-survey/#:~:text=Previous%20research%20from%20Henwood%20suggested,free%20devices%20through%20government%20programs https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-p....
      - LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
        Aren't these preloaded with crap/scamware by shady providers?
sofixa 3y ago
No turn it around, you lose the piece of paper saying you have a yearly pass, do you forfeit your right to enter these places?
- Mordisquitos 3y ago
  Maybe, yes. Lose that piece of paper and you forfeit your right to enter that concert... ...but lose that piece of paper and you haven't also forfeited your right to access your hotel room, to catch the plane back home, to pay for your parking space where you left your car, to take public transport, to enter your gym...
dmazzoni 3y ago
I've never been to such an event where using your smartphone to pay was mandatory, it's usually just much faster and more convenient. At many smaller venues, a credit card (or tap-to-pay) is required, and I'm 100% in favor of that. We should be doing more to help provide unbanked people with credit cards. Requiring small businesses to deal with cash is increasingly a burden; cashless enables them to save a lot of time and money.
- sneak 3y ago
  This is the wrong approach, because the laws around payment cards require they be strongly linked to ID, allowing point and click shutdown/freezing of anyone's ability to transact. When you can't pay a lawyer, and you can't pay a taxi to get to your lawyer, and you can't buy food, and it's all because the government pointed a finger without evidence, prior to trial, the system is a bad one. The ability to use cash must be preserved. You really don't want to live in the world where the only payments are the ones the government explicitly allows.
Karunamon 3y ago
I see it as similar to what happens when your credit card gets messed up or won't read anymore. It's a similar level of inconvenience. That said, I have found it easier to replace a phone on short notice than a card. Banks seem to want to do everything through the mail, where I can walk into any carriers store and walk out with a replacement device the same day.
- kibwen 3y ago
  In the future, how does one pay to replace a lost device at the store after losing the device that is the exclusive holder of all your payment details, as well as the exclusive holder of all the credentials to all your accounts?
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iksm 3y ago

One day or an other, your proprietary pocket tracker and his mandatory connectivity will fail. What if the device is broken (yah, go buy another) ? What if the upstream service don't work ? What if the GSM network is locally in maintenance ? Overall, why should we require obsolete-when-bought, extremely costly and polluting locked-down devices you don't even control to access public places ? So why, any concrete response capable of holding up in practice ?

llbeansandrice 3y ago
Not to discount the other issues, but apple wallet being offline is one of my favorite features and side-steps many of the issues related to connectivity of bandwidth issues when you're at a large event/venue. It would be much better to have varied and robust options though.
- iksm 3y ago
  Glad this feature works for you. What works for me, if I need to pay something: I use my credit card (contactless under 50, over I need to type a code) or some bills which both are in my physical wallet (protected against rfid, it just looks as a normal wallet). I don't see any benefits adding third parties to the mix apart the fashion of "Oh yeah I can pay with my tracker watch". I just see that as really pathetic.