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At least in the UN (and the spelling is pushed by Turkish tourism too). Not sure about adoption beyond that, especially outside of Turkey. Personally don't see

At least in the UN (and the spelling is pushed by Turkish tourism too). Not sure about adoption beyond that, especially outside of Turkey. Personally don't see myself adopting the new spelling for a while. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102596510/turkey-changes-name-turkiye-united-nations https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102596510/turkey-changes-nam...

CameronNemo 3y ago
The US embassy also uses the spelling. https://tr.usembassy.gov/ https://tr.usembassy.gov/
- readbeard 3y ago
  The US State Department website has a note about that here: https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/ https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/
Glawen 3y ago
I don't see it adopting it myself, because that would also means pronouncing it differently. Anyway, good luck with qwerty keyboard. I'm using azerty, so it is not so painful.
- BitwiseFool 3y ago
  My understanding was that the name would be pronounced the same way, but as a native English speaker I don't even know what the umlaut does to the sound of the u. So I'm not even sure how the pronunciation would actually change. In any event, if the Turkish government wants me to stop using "Turkey" I'm more than happy to call it Anatolia instead.
  - asimovfan 3y ago
    Not all of Turkey is Anatolia though
    - catlover76 3y ago
      But Turks aren't originally from Anatolia anyways, and basically the only thing "Turkish" about the country/people is the language. :T
      - Thrymr 3y ago
        Is anyone "originally" from anywhere they live now, really, except maybe East Africa (at some point in time)? Anglo-Saxons came from the continent, "Americans" from Europe, Africa and elsewhere, Native Americans from Asia, etc.
        aiilns 3y ago
        Greeks.
        Tagbert 3y ago
        Dorian Greeks migrated into Mycenae in the early Bronze Age.
        catlover76 3y ago
        Yes, very true (and something I like to remind people who like to display ethnic and/or racial pride and talk about "heritage" etc)
  - paint 3y ago
    It is pronounced differently to the English "Turkey". For once, it has three syllables. Anatolia is the name of the large peninsula encapsulating most of Turkey, not the country itself.
  - evujumenuk 3y ago
    I have solved this conundrum by calling the country "Türkiye", while calling the bird… also "Türkiye". Thus ensuring symmetry.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > My understanding was that the name would be pronounced the same way No, part of the rationale for the change is to reflect the different pronunciation (Türkiye) has three syllables > but as a native English speaker I don’t even know what the umlaut does to the sound of the u. While there is a change to the first vowel sound, and I think an even more subtle change to the second, the biggest difference is the existence of the third syllable, which is pretty evident from the spelling, even to most native English speakers.
  - dghughes 3y ago
    I beleive it is pronounced Took-ee-ayy. It's Turkish for Turkey so I can't see why non-Turks would be using that pronunciation. I don't say Spain in Spanish i.e. "Espanya" (phonetically) I just say Spain.
    - Cyph0n 3y ago
      Not a Turkish speaker, but I believe it’s closer to tur-kee-yeh. It’s pronounced almost the same in Arabic.
- yardshop 3y ago
  You can type a u umlaut on a qwerty keyboard (and maybe many others) by holding down Alt, and typing 129 on the numeric keypad: ü That works on Windows at least, don't know about other systems.
  - simiones 3y ago
    So one would actually have to remember to call the country TALT-129kyie?
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    You can type an umlaut (over a u) on a US-International QWERTY keyboard by typing a double quote followed by a u. And if you are using Windows with, say, US-English QWERTY as your default keyboard layout, its easy to add US-International and switch between them with ctrl-shift; they have the same layout (so your keycaps are still write), but some of the punctuation becomes dead keys that can function either for the punctuation or diacriticals depending on the following keypress. Because the relationship between the punctuation and the diacriticals they work for is mostly visually intuitive, I find it a lot easier than memorizing Alt-key codes. Especially when using keyboards that don’t have a separate numeric keyboard in the first place like small laptops, and big laptops with relatively powerful dGPUs (the former because of total space available, the latter because they use more space for venting).
  - stuff4ben 3y ago
    On Macs, you can long-press the "u" key and you'll see options for û ü ù ú ū. There's a number underneath, so just long press "u" and then type the number for the character you want.

CameronNemo 3y ago

The US embassy also uses the spelling. https://tr.usembassy.gov/ https://tr.usembassy.gov/

readbeard 3y ago
The US State Department website has a note about that here: https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/ https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/

Glawen 3y ago

I don't see it adopting it myself, because that would also means pronouncing it differently. Anyway, good luck with qwerty keyboard. I'm using azerty, so it is not so painful.

BitwiseFool 3y ago
My understanding was that the name would be pronounced the same way, but as a native English speaker I don't even know what the umlaut does to the sound of the u. So I'm not even sure how the pronunciation would actually change. In any event, if the Turkish government wants me to stop using "Turkey" I'm more than happy to call it Anatolia instead.
- asimovfan 3y ago
  Not all of Turkey is Anatolia though
  - catlover76 3y ago
    But Turks aren't originally from Anatolia anyways, and basically the only thing "Turkish" about the country/people is the language. :T
    - Thrymr 3y ago
      Is anyone "originally" from anywhere they live now, really, except maybe East Africa (at some point in time)? Anglo-Saxons came from the continent, "Americans" from Europe, Africa and elsewhere, Native Americans from Asia, etc.
      - aiilns 3y ago
        Greeks.
        Tagbert 3y ago
        Dorian Greeks migrated into Mycenae in the early Bronze Age.
      - catlover76 3y ago
        Yes, very true (and something I like to remind people who like to display ethnic and/or racial pride and talk about "heritage" etc)
- paint 3y ago
  It is pronounced differently to the English "Turkey". For once, it has three syllables. Anatolia is the name of the large peninsula encapsulating most of Turkey, not the country itself.
- evujumenuk 3y ago
  I have solved this conundrum by calling the country "Türkiye", while calling the bird… also "Türkiye". Thus ensuring symmetry.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > My understanding was that the name would be pronounced the same way No, part of the rationale for the change is to reflect the different pronunciation (Türkiye) has three syllables > but as a native English speaker I don’t even know what the umlaut does to the sound of the u. While there is a change to the first vowel sound, and I think an even more subtle change to the second, the biggest difference is the existence of the third syllable, which is pretty evident from the spelling, even to most native English speakers.
- dghughes 3y ago
  I beleive it is pronounced Took-ee-ayy. It's Turkish for Turkey so I can't see why non-Turks would be using that pronunciation. I don't say Spain in Spanish i.e. "Espanya" (phonetically) I just say Spain.
  - Cyph0n 3y ago
    Not a Turkish speaker, but I believe it’s closer to tur-kee-yeh. It’s pronounced almost the same in Arabic.
yardshop 3y ago
You can type a u umlaut on a qwerty keyboard (and maybe many others) by holding down Alt, and typing 129 on the numeric keypad: ü That works on Windows at least, don't know about other systems.
- simiones 3y ago
  So one would actually have to remember to call the country TALT-129kyie?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  You can type an umlaut (over a u) on a US-International QWERTY keyboard by typing a double quote followed by a u. And if you are using Windows with, say, US-English QWERTY as your default keyboard layout, its easy to add US-International and switch between them with ctrl-shift; they have the same layout (so your keycaps are still write), but some of the punctuation becomes dead keys that can function either for the punctuation or diacriticals depending on the following keypress. Because the relationship between the punctuation and the diacriticals they work for is mostly visually intuitive, I find it a lot easier than memorizing Alt-key codes. Especially when using keyboards that don’t have a separate numeric keyboard in the first place like small laptops, and big laptops with relatively powerful dGPUs (the former because of total space available, the latter because they use more space for venting).
- stuff4ben 3y ago
  On Macs, you can long-press the "u" key and you'll see options for û ü ù ú ū. There's a number underneath, so just long press "u" and then type the number for the character you want.