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If it’s a life or death decision, you should opt for the best strategy, not the cheapest.
by mynameisvlad 3y ago
If it’s a life or death decision, you should opt for the best strategy, not the cheapest.
- IntToDouble 3y agoCheapest being humans.
- geysersam 3y agoNot necessarily. Maybe currently, but perhaps not in the future.
- spdif899 3y agoPerson you're replying to is talking about time budget offered by your computer, not monetary budget. Regardless everything is about optimization - the "best" option will almost always be so costly that no consumer will be able to afford it.
- NovemberWhiskey 3y agoIf the technology (i.e. self-driving) cannot be delivered safely at an affordable cost, then probably it shouldn't be delivered at all then, no?
- mensetmanusman 3y agoDefine safely given the current road hazards of human drivers.
- burnished 3y agoThis isn't germane to the conversation at all, the budget under discussion is compute time.
- mrguyorama 3y agoIf we can't fit the compute required to do it right in a car, we shouldn't be doing it at all. Their point is perfectly fine, regardless of WHAT KIND of "budget" is being discussed. That being said, even automobiles make safety tradeoffs for cheapness or feasibility. However, we really shouldn't allow any tradeoffs for a completely unnecessary feature like "self driving". Imagine if wanting your car to have android auto or similar meant it couldn't use the lights, because a tradeoff was made.
- jjk166 3y agoSafely only means you're above a threshold value that is safe enough, but you can always be safer with sufficient further expense. Presumably your budget allows you to go beyond the absolute bare minimum, but it obviously won't get you to infinity either, so you optimize for the best option within your constraints.
- mynameisvlad 3y ago“Time budget” is ultimately the same thing as the monetary budget. Spend more, get more ms time. In a life or death situation, you should opt for the system which will keep you alive more, not the one that costs less.
- vigilans 3y agoThe best strategy is to hide under your mattress.
- Vecr 3y agoNo it's not, have you heard of bed sores and muscle atrophy? You need to exercise a reasonable amount to minimize cardiovascular risk as well.
- hedora 3y agoThe best strategy is the one that reduces global annual traffic injuries the most. That’s probably also the cheapest viable strategy. If a sensor-fusion car cuts accidents per mile (vs human) by 100x, but can only be deployed on 100,000 cars a year, and a camera-only car kills 10x more than that per mile, but can be put on 10,000,000 cars a year for the same cost, the camera-only car will end up saving 10x more people than the “better” system. (I exaggerated both the improvement ratio and cost ratio because I like multiplying by powers of ten)
- xnx 3y agoIf we pick different made up numbers, the answer is different.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoIt’s still a useful thought exercise in the context of ‘the perfect’ being the enemy of improving the death rate.
- mrguyorama 3y ago"Thought exercises" do not belong in a safety discussion. This isn't an 8th grade debate, it's a company putting people at risk to increase their valuation while claiming "it's for the greater good".
- hedora 3y agoI explained how to reason about the trade off using 3rd grade math. If the outcome of your safety discussion ends up suggesting a “safer”, “more expensive” solution that will definitely leave more people dead and injured then that analysis, then something is seriously wrong.
- mardifoufs 3y agoWhat? Thought exercises always belong in safety discussions. Where is this weird notion that "safety Uber Alles" is actually how safety works or even should work? Going for absurd safety standards or expectations is absurd and self defeating. Again, as the other anon said, a practical solution that helps improve safety without handwaving material realities (cost, feasibility, adoption rates) is always better than a "safer" option that won't actually be used. Obviously corporations try to make more money, but people also dont like buying more expensive cars.