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off topic, but is Türkiye the new english spelling for Turkey ?
by Glawen 3y ago
off topic, but is Türkiye the new english spelling for Turkey ?
- lucretian 3y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61671913 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61671913 possibly a populist move by erdogan, depending on who you ask.
- kevinstubbs 3y agoAt least in the UN (and the spelling is pushed by Turkish tourism too). Not sure about adoption beyond that, especially outside of Turkey. Personally don't see myself adopting the new spelling for a while. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102596510/turkey-changes-name-turkiye-united-nations https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102596510/turkey-changes-nam...
- CameronNemo 3y agoThe US embassy also uses the spelling. https://tr.usembassy.gov/ https://tr.usembassy.gov/
- readbeard 3y agoThe US State Department website has a note about that here: https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/ https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/
- Glawen 3y agoI don't see it adopting it myself, because that would also means pronouncing it differently. Anyway, good luck with qwerty keyboard. I'm using azerty, so it is not so painful.
- BitwiseFool 3y agoMy understanding was that the name would be pronounced the same way, but as a native English speaker I don't even know what the umlaut does to the sound of the u. So I'm not even sure how the pronunciation would actually change. In any event, if the Turkish government wants me to stop using "Turkey" I'm more than happy to call it Anatolia instead.
- asimovfan 3y agoNot all of Turkey is Anatolia though
- catlover76 3y agoBut Turks aren't originally from Anatolia anyways, and basically the only thing "Turkish" about the country/people is the language. :T
- Thrymr 3y agoIs anyone "originally" from anywhere they live now, really, except maybe East Africa (at some point in time)? Anglo-Saxons came from the continent, "Americans" from Europe, Africa and elsewhere, Native Americans from Asia, etc.
- aiilns 3y agoGreeks.
- Tagbert 3y agoDorian Greeks migrated into Mycenae in the early Bronze Age.
- catlover76 3y agoYes, very true (and something I like to remind people who like to display ethnic and/or racial pride and talk about "heritage" etc)
- paint 3y agoIt is pronounced differently to the English "Turkey". For once, it has three syllables. Anatolia is the name of the large peninsula encapsulating most of Turkey, not the country itself.
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- yardshop 3y agoYou can type a u umlaut on a qwerty keyboard (and maybe many others) by holding down Alt, and typing 129 on the numeric keypad: ü That works on Windows at least, don't know about other systems.
- simiones 3y agoSo one would actually have to remember to call the country TALT-129kyie?
- dragonwriter 3y agoYou can type an umlaut (over a u) on a US-International QWERTY keyboard by typing a double quote followed by a u. And if you are using Windows with, say, US-English QWERTY as your default keyboard layout, its easy to add US-International and switch between them with ctrl-shift; they have the same layout (so your keycaps are still write), but some of the punctuation becomes dead keys that can function either for the punctuation or diacriticals depending on the following keypress. Because the relationship between the punctuation and the diacriticals they work for is mostly visually intuitive, I find it a lot easier than memorizing Alt-key codes. Especially when using keyboards that don’t have a separate numeric keyboard in the first place like small laptops, and big laptops with relatively powerful dGPUs (the former because of total space available, the latter because they use more space for venting).
- stuff4ben 3y agoOn Macs, you can long-press the "u" key and you'll see options for û ü ù ú ū. There's a number underneath, so just long press "u" and then type the number for the character you want.
- cossatot 3y agoYes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Turkey
- psychphysic 3y agoThere is a vague movement to adopt countries preferred names and pronunciation. It's fairly patchy ultimately. Beijing/Peking, Mumbai/Bombay, Kyiv/Kiev, Czechia/Czech Republic. Foods seem unaffected funnily enough Peking Duck, Bombay Mix, Chicken Kiev.
- ch4s3 3y agoNot that it's a big deal, but Türkiye uses the ü, and autocorrect and spell checkers don't seem to have made the switch yet so it does require some extra effort to type or copy paste. It seem like the use of Mumbai hasn't even been universally adopted in India, so I'd expect Türkiye to take some time.
- readthenotes1 3y agoIirc, Mumbai,Bangalaru, etc. were changes to decolonize, not to change the name foreigners called it as much as to change the name resonance called it.
- ChatGTP 3y agoyes
- calderknight 3y agoI don't think English has letters with multiple dots above them.
- retrac 3y agoIt does. The English I was taught in school, includes the diaeresis as part of the writing system. Words like coördinate, reëngage, Boötes, are spelled as I just spelled them. I don't adhere to it. It is old-fashioned, even a bit archaic. But it is still the preferred spelling in some style guides, and it is still used in some publications.
- lovich 3y agoIt’s used to signal when you have a pair of the same letters but the second has a different pronunciation. So “deer” has two e’s but no umlaut because they make the same sound but “coördinate” has the umlaut since the second o is a new sound. I personally like them and wish they would come back if only as a small push back against the horrific ambiguity that is the English language
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- meepmorp 3y ago> It’s used to signal when you have a pair of the same letters but the second has a different pronunciation. That's a somewhat naïve take.
- simiones 3y agoAs far as I understand, it's actually used to indicate a hiatus instead of a diphtong. E.g. naïvety is meant to indicate that aï are part of different syllables and shouldn't be pronounced in the same syllable, just like the oö in coördinate.
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- throwaway0208 3y agoIt's the new official spelling, but with an umlaut it doesn't qualify as an english spelling.
- dizhn 3y agoTürkiye is Turkey in Turkish. The country isn't saying this word is now English but rather call us by our Turkish name because sharing a name with a bird is worse than being run by an islamist dictator. (While calling India 'Hindistan' and calling the bird 'hindi')
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- baggy_trough 3y agoOf course not, but some people would like it to be so.
- causi 3y agoIt might be the new globally-used spelling but I don't think you can call anything with an umlaut the "English spelling". You have to use an alt+ code to even get the character from an English keyboard.
- mabbo 3y agoThe country has officially asked that it be referred to and spelled that way. If a friend asked me to refer to them with a different name, I'd sure look like a jerk if I made a point to not do so, even though I know it's their preference. Just the same, I try to remember that the country formerly spelled Turkey is now spelled Türkiye. Perhaps someday they'll say it doesn't matter, or they prefer the old way. Today isn't that day yet.
- tgv 3y agoOTOH, a country is not a conscious, communicating being that's sensitive about its name. The name change follows a decision by a few civil servants and politicians.
- TheRealPomax 3y agoYes, that's what "the country" means, it's shorthand for "the government of the country".
- readthenotes1 3y agoSo what do you call that big country just west of France? Exonyms have been a thing for longer than I can remember....
- ayhanfuat 3y agoMeanwhile, that friend is calling everyone whatever he likes. England: İngiltere, Germany: Almanya, London: Londra, Munich: Münih.
- readbeard 3y agoNo. Erdoğan started advocating for a switch to Türkiye a couple of years ago, and the UN recently adopted the Turkish spelling. The US State Department uses both spellings, while asserting (sensibly) that Türkiye should be used in "formal and diplomatic contexts." [0] English Wikipedia still uses the established English spelling. [1] Some Turks I know seem to think this whole thing was mostly cooked up as a distraction from other issues that have come up or worsened under Erdoğan's leadership. [0] https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/ https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/turkey/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey