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Tesla doesn’t have autonomous vehicles. It has level 2 vehicles. Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles.

by adrr 3y ago

ramesh31 3y ago
>Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles. In a single small extremely constrained geofenced area using vehicles with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sensors each. Those companies are complete dead ends. They are not even remotely solving for the general case.
- adrr 3y ago
  Geofenced is the definition of level 4. Tesla doesn’t have a level 3 car on the market.
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    >Geofenced is the definition of level 4. Tesla doesn’t have a level 3 car on the market. And levels 3/4 are useless, better served by public transit. There's a reason the Japanese/Korean manufacturers are skipping them. You either have really good level 2 (i.e. LKAS+ACC), or you go to full level 5. And Waymo/Cruise will never solve for level 5 with their approach. Tesla (and Comma) are at least working on the general solution to it.
    - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
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    - adrr 3y ago
      You can take a public transit to the airport. I’ll take a Waymo taxi.
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        Is this supposed to be an argument? Some sort of elitism about public transit?
    - enragedcacti 3y ago
      And levels 3/4 are useless, better served by public transit. Level 4 where the geofence is "all major cities and highways" would be immensely useful. > There's a reason the Japanese/Korean manufacturers are skipping them. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-level-3-autonomy-leases-japan/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://canada.autonews.com/technology/hyundai-very-close-achieving-level-3-autonomy https://canada.autonews.com/technology/hyundai-very-close-ac...
    - adrr 3y ago
      Toyota partnered with Pony.ai and have a fleet of level 4 taxis operating in all major cities(eg: Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen) in China. Honda has level 3 self driving cars on the market in Japan that you can buy today. Kia is working on a level 3 car and also announced level 4 taxi plans. Hyundai also has plans to add level 3 functionality to their cars.
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- konschubert 3y ago
  How much does it cost to pay a human driver for 10 years?

Tesla doesn’t have autonomous vehicles. It has level 2 vehicles. Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles.

by adrr 3y ago

Tesla doesn’t have autonomous vehicles. It has level 2 vehicles. Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles.

>Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles. In a single small extremely constrained geofenced area using vehicles with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sensors each. Those companies are complete dead ends. They are not even remotely solving for the general case.

adrr 3y ago
Geofenced is the definition of level 4. Tesla doesn’t have a level 3 car on the market.
- ramesh31 3y ago
  >Geofenced is the definition of level 4. Tesla doesn’t have a level 3 car on the market. And levels 3/4 are useless, better served by public transit. There's a reason the Japanese/Korean manufacturers are skipping them. You either have really good level 2 (i.e. LKAS+ACC), or you go to full level 5. And Waymo/Cruise will never solve for level 5 with their approach. Tesla (and Comma) are at least working on the general solution to it.
  - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
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  - adrr 3y ago
    You can take a public transit to the airport. I’ll take a Waymo taxi.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      Is this supposed to be an argument? Some sort of elitism about public transit?
  - enragedcacti 3y ago
    And levels 3/4 are useless, better served by public transit. Level 4 where the geofence is "all major cities and highways" would be immensely useful. > There's a reason the Japanese/Korean manufacturers are skipping them. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-level-3-autonomy-leases-japan/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://canada.autonews.com/technology/hyundai-very-close-achieving-level-3-autonomy https://canada.autonews.com/technology/hyundai-very-close-ac...
  - adrr 3y ago
    Toyota partnered with Pony.ai and have a fleet of level 4 taxis operating in all major cities(eg: Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen) in China. Honda has level 3 self driving cars on the market in Japan that you can buy today. Kia is working on a level 3 car and also announced level 4 taxi plans. Hyundai also has plans to add level 3 functionality to their cars.
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konschubert 3y ago
How much does it cost to pay a human driver for 10 years?