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It's extraordinary that the article mentions Waymo and Cruise in this context but not Tesla.
by hirundo 3y ago
It's extraordinary that the article mentions Waymo and Cruise in this context but not Tesla.
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- Humboldtsnee 3y ago[dead]
- adrr 3y agoTesla doesn’t have autonomous vehicles. It has level 2 vehicles. Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles.
- ramesh31 3y ago>Waymo and cruise have level 4 vehicles. In a single small extremely constrained geofenced area using vehicles with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sensors each. Those companies are complete dead ends. They are not even remotely solving for the general case.
- adrr 3y agoGeofenced is the definition of level 4. Tesla doesn’t have a level 3 car on the market.
- ramesh31 3y ago>Geofenced is the definition of level 4. Tesla doesn’t have a level 3 car on the market. And levels 3/4 are useless, better served by public transit. There's a reason the Japanese/Korean manufacturers are skipping them. You either have really good level 2 (i.e. LKAS+ACC), or you go to full level 5. And Waymo/Cruise will never solve for level 5 with their approach. Tesla (and Comma) are at least working on the general solution to it.
- Humboldtsnee 3y ago[dead]
- adrr 3y agoYou can take a public transit to the airport. I’ll take a Waymo taxi.
- mrguyorama 3y agoIs this supposed to be an argument? Some sort of elitism about public transit?
- enragedcacti 3y agoAnd levels 3/4 are useless, better served by public transit. Level 4 where the geofence is "all major cities and highways" would be immensely useful. > There's a reason the Japanese/Korean manufacturers are skipping them. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-level-3-autonomy-leases-japan/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://canada.autonews.com/technology/hyundai-very-close-achieving-level-3-autonomy https://canada.autonews.com/technology/hyundai-very-close-ac...
- adrr 3y agoToyota partnered with Pony.ai and have a fleet of level 4 taxis operating in all major cities(eg: Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen) in China. Honda has level 3 self driving cars on the market in Japan that you can buy today. Kia is working on a level 3 car and also announced level 4 taxi plans. Hyundai also has plans to add level 3 functionality to their cars.
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- konschubert 3y agoHow much does it cost to pay a human driver for 10 years?
- Fricken 3y agoIt seems Tesla is finally starting to get serious about L4 autonomy, but they don't have much to show for it yet. What's extraordinary is how many people have fallen for Elon's bullshit and remain committed to it in spite of it being obvious bullshit. In any case, many journalists are still trying to spin it as cameras vs lidar when it's really single modality vision systems with no redundancy versus multi-modal vision systems that conventionally include camera as well as lidar. Various Lidar startups have also made inroads in deriving vision from laser range finding technology. It's hard to speculate on what will win in the end, but nitpicking these things is a form of bike shedding. Ultimately it comes down to the software, which is a much bigger problem and not as straightforward to wrap one's brain around.
- jeffreygoesto 3y agoI assume the downvotes are about mentioning that one person that gets mentioned a lot? Factually this post is pretty accurate IMHO. As a human you can almost always extract "this could have been seen" from fusion sensor data. That does not mean the computer can (some of this also vibes from you judging post mortem and typically having additional information about the scene). Neither hand made nor trained classifiers master the "long tail" that is needed for L4. This does not change with some percent improvement of one sensor.