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Doctors' discomfort is also why they are so eager to slice women open like a fish, because baby needs to come on their schedule or they'll be late for tee time.

PartiallyTyped 3y ago
[[citation needed]] To my knowledge Caesarean Section is a last resort.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
  It is not. My mother was forced out of a hospital once for not giving a Caesarean section. (The baby was fine throughout.) And I had a college roommate (male, no children) who espoused the idea that making women give birth without the benefit of a Caesarean section was barbaric.
- jermaustin1 3y ago
  Not who you are replying to. Anecdata, but my sister-in-law had 3 children, her first was at the same hospital I was born (in the Texas Medical Center), and he was a standard birth, the last 3 were at our small region hospital. With her second child after only an hour of labor they told her they HAD to do a C-Section, and to top it off, they only gave her 2 nights to recover from what is major surgery (first night being the night she gave birth). The reason for the remaining C-Section was that she "needed" a C-Section before. I'm not saying that its so the doctor can go play golf or something personally repugnant like that, but that they are short staffed doctors, and a C-Section typically has no complications and they know how long it takes to get a baby out when they cut you open versus you taking up a bed that could be turned over to the next C-Section. There is an incentive to flip beds as often as possible.
  - anotherhue 3y ago
    Same here. They just got sick of waiting. Turns out private equity has optimised the birth process.
  - soudiere 3y ago
    > The reason for the remaining C-Section was that she "needed" a C-Section before. Yeah she probably had a vertical incision c-section, which clinically indicates a c-section for the next birth. You can read about it, the fibers heal better from a transverse incision.
    - jermaustin1 3y ago
      That's all fine and good, but many patients can only have so many C-Sections without complications. It isn't universal, and maybe it comes down to the doctor that did the C-Section in the first place, but its an invasive procedure to optimize the time it takes to deliver and not (usually) to optimize the health of the baby and mother. I'm all for medically necessary procedures, but here in America, so many procedures are not medically necessary, they are there for optimizing the bottom line of the for-profit medicine-industrial-complex.
- resolutebat 3y ago
  Depends very much on the country. In eg Brazil, 55% (!) of all births are by C-section. https://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth/highest-c-section-rates-by-country/ https://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth/highest-c-section-rates-...
  - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
    That is some of the most depressing data I have seen / read. :(
- anotherhue 3y ago
  I've seen it first hand. Had to fight them off.
- croo 3y ago
  Far from last resort. How often it's used is based on location. Let me do the citation: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/c-section-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/c-section... First is Mexico and Turkey with more than 50%! USA is 32%. Norway seems to be quite low with 16% as far as first world countries go.
astura 3y ago
N=1 but this is certainly NOT true for my obstetrician friend. Couldn't be further from reality for him.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
In the US, both east and west coast, my wife was never told anything like this. In both scenarios, the OBGYN doctor group had a rotation of doctors on call. You likely will not get your specific doctor, but my wife was seen by every doctor in the OBGYN group over the course of the pregnancy. Lots of resources were provided for vaginal childbirth, and the hospital had dedicated birthing suites with hot tubs and yoga balls and all sorts of equipment you could use. There was zero pressure once admitted too to take medication. However, the fetal heartbeat monitor or whatever they strap to the mom is annoying as hell because it slips off constantly since it is positioned on a rounded belly and a nurse constantly having to come in to adjust it because I presume the hospital is covering its ass from liability.

PartiallyTyped 3y ago

[[citation needed]] To my knowledge Caesarean Section is a last resort.

thaumasiotes 3y ago
It is not. My mother was forced out of a hospital once for not giving a Caesarean section. (The baby was fine throughout.) And I had a college roommate (male, no children) who espoused the idea that making women give birth without the benefit of a Caesarean section was barbaric.
jermaustin1 3y ago
Not who you are replying to. Anecdata, but my sister-in-law had 3 children, her first was at the same hospital I was born (in the Texas Medical Center), and he was a standard birth, the last 3 were at our small region hospital. With her second child after only an hour of labor they told her they HAD to do a C-Section, and to top it off, they only gave her 2 nights to recover from what is major surgery (first night being the night she gave birth). The reason for the remaining C-Section was that she "needed" a C-Section before. I'm not saying that its so the doctor can go play golf or something personally repugnant like that, but that they are short staffed doctors, and a C-Section typically has no complications and they know how long it takes to get a baby out when they cut you open versus you taking up a bed that could be turned over to the next C-Section. There is an incentive to flip beds as often as possible.
- anotherhue 3y ago
  Same here. They just got sick of waiting. Turns out private equity has optimised the birth process.
- soudiere 3y ago
  > The reason for the remaining C-Section was that she "needed" a C-Section before. Yeah she probably had a vertical incision c-section, which clinically indicates a c-section for the next birth. You can read about it, the fibers heal better from a transverse incision.
  - jermaustin1 3y ago
    That's all fine and good, but many patients can only have so many C-Sections without complications. It isn't universal, and maybe it comes down to the doctor that did the C-Section in the first place, but its an invasive procedure to optimize the time it takes to deliver and not (usually) to optimize the health of the baby and mother. I'm all for medically necessary procedures, but here in America, so many procedures are not medically necessary, they are there for optimizing the bottom line of the for-profit medicine-industrial-complex.
resolutebat 3y ago
Depends very much on the country. In eg Brazil, 55% (!) of all births are by C-section. https://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth/highest-c-section-rates-by-country/ https://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth/highest-c-section-rates-...
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  That is some of the most depressing data I have seen / read. :(
anotherhue 3y ago
I've seen it first hand. Had to fight them off.
croo 3y ago
Far from last resort. How often it's used is based on location. Let me do the citation: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/c-section-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/c-section... First is Mexico and Turkey with more than 50%! USA is 32%. Norway seems to be quite low with 16% as far as first world countries go.

astura 3y ago

N=1 but this is certainly NOT true for my obstetrician friend. Couldn't be further from reality for him.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

In the US, both east and west coast, my wife was never told anything like this. In both scenarios, the OBGYN doctor group had a rotation of doctors on call. You likely will not get your specific doctor, but my wife was seen by every doctor in the OBGYN group over the course of the pregnancy. Lots of resources were provided for vaginal childbirth, and the hospital had dedicated birthing suites with hot tubs and yoga balls and all sorts of equipment you could use. There was zero pressure once admitted too to take medication. However, the fetal heartbeat monitor or whatever they strap to the mom is annoying as hell because it slips off constantly since it is positioned on a rounded belly and a nurse constantly having to come in to adjust it because I presume the hospital is covering its ass from liability.