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The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art

by kypro 3y ago

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a job and get paid well for it. I don't know what to tell them anymore... I worry that over the last few decades we've been going through a golden age of career opportunities without really appreciating it. With a few exceptions no career considered desirable has been fully automated, and at the same time the variety of jobs that we can do has grown almost exponentially. I mean even something like farming where there's been a lot of technological innovation we still absolutely need farmers – will the same be said about graphic designers in say 5-10 years? Perhaps we'll need a few people prompting the tools, but will it actually make sense for anyone to physically draw anything? For the most part in the past people had to do whatever job they could. I worry we may be returning to that world. It seems likely there will still be service jobs where human interaction is valued, but eventually it seems all jobs that don't require that human presence will eventually be automated. Although, we're probably still quite a long way off all manual labour jobs being automated fully.

schnitzelstoat 3y ago
We aren't even close to development work being automated away. Maybe art because it's often less critical. If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. If your production server crashes because of a problem in your AI-generated code, it does.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  >If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. So, you're evidently not a designer?
  - ben_w 3y ago
    The biggest problem with logos IMO, which AI absolutely won't help with, is that everyone tries to stand out by copying everyone else's design.
- zirgs 3y ago
  If the logo is a bit goofy, you can press "generate" again.
- zoky 3y ago
  > Maybe art because it's often less critical. Congratulations, you just got fired from Apple.
zirgs 3y ago
AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce. And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will still not get what you want. Providing a pose, depth map, normal map or a reference image gives the AI a lot more information than just a prompt. I don't see that changing any time soon. You simply can't describe every single detail in a propmpt. An even if you could - it's still quicker to make a rough sketch of what you want instead of writing a goddamn novel in the prompt textbox.
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble. I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over. Stream AI/ML a real-life drone fed weather catastrophe and watch it produce an realistic journalistic news cast. A manual-operated lathe was once assisted with human input, that then evolved in to an automated lathe, that then was aided by CAD and now with the aide of 3D printers, you no longer need the manual labor that once used to manually create an object from a block of wood, metal. AI/ML is the new lathe of the digital world. It's a powerful tool that right now can aide with artists. But that will evolve, concept work won't be required and skill will be lost. It's destined to be. It will replace artists, writers, journalists, news casters and other creative outlets. Why? Because you don't have to pay AI.
  - donkeyd 3y ago
    > I wager $50 five-ten years, that we'll be churning out content that an experienced artist is capable of. I wager $50 that 'artists' will still exist and that this becomes a tool for those artists if they just accept it. We all have phones that can make great photos, yet I still paid for someone to photograph my wedding, because they are much, much better than anyone with a phone. Just understanding all the knobs of generative AI takes a lot of time. I feel like the only thing actually impacted by this soon is the stock photography content farm game. Because if stock imagery is good enough, AI generated images might be good enough.
pasabagi 3y ago
Work does not guarantee the right to a good life. Rather, it is political power. Nobody is saying 'AI will automate landlords out of a job', because everybody knows that's nonsensical. Being a landlord is primarily a right to extract value guaranteed by political power. It is not primarily a job. If you have no political power, it doesn't matter how fundamental to the economy you are, you can expect to have no rights whatsoever. Slaves were the entire economy of the US South, for example. If you have political power, you can be as useless as most landlords are, and you can still expect to live well. Trying to game the system by being useful to wherever you guess industry is going to be in ten years is stupid. Just do what you can, and devote your energies to organizing.

by kypro 3y ago

schnitzelstoat 3y ago

We aren't even close to development work being automated away. Maybe art because it's often less critical. If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. If your production server crashes because of a problem in your AI-generated code, it does.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
>If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. So, you're evidently not a designer?
- ben_w 3y ago
  The biggest problem with logos IMO, which AI absolutely won't help with, is that everyone tries to stand out by copying everyone else's design.
zirgs 3y ago
If the logo is a bit goofy, you can press "generate" again.
zoky 3y ago
> Maybe art because it's often less critical. Congratulations, you just got fired from Apple.

zirgs 3y ago

AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce. And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will still not get what you want. Providing a pose, depth map, normal map or a reference image gives the AI a lot more information than just a prompt. I don't see that changing any time soon. You simply can't describe every single detail in a propmpt. An even if you could - it's still quicker to make a rough sketch of what you want instead of writing a goddamn novel in the prompt textbox.

doublerabbit 3y ago
I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble. I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over. Stream AI/ML a real-life drone fed weather catastrophe and watch it produce an realistic journalistic news cast. A manual-operated lathe was once assisted with human input, that then evolved in to an automated lathe, that then was aided by CAD and now with the aide of 3D printers, you no longer need the manual labor that once used to manually create an object from a block of wood, metal. AI/ML is the new lathe of the digital world. It's a powerful tool that right now can aide with artists. But that will evolve, concept work won't be required and skill will be lost. It's destined to be. It will replace artists, writers, journalists, news casters and other creative outlets. Why? Because you don't have to pay AI.
- donkeyd 3y ago
  > I wager $50 five-ten years, that we'll be churning out content that an experienced artist is capable of. I wager $50 that 'artists' will still exist and that this becomes a tool for those artists if they just accept it. We all have phones that can make great photos, yet I still paid for someone to photograph my wedding, because they are much, much better than anyone with a phone. Just understanding all the knobs of generative AI takes a lot of time. I feel like the only thing actually impacted by this soon is the stock photography content farm game. Because if stock imagery is good enough, AI generated images might be good enough.

pasabagi 3y ago

Work does not guarantee the right to a good life. Rather, it is political power. Nobody is saying 'AI will automate landlords out of a job', because everybody knows that's nonsensical. Being a landlord is primarily a right to extract value guaranteed by political power. It is not primarily a job. If you have no political power, it doesn't matter how fundamental to the economy you are, you can expect to have no rights whatsoever. Slaves were the entire economy of the US South, for example. If you have political power, you can be as useless as most landlords are, and you can still expect to live well. Trying to game the system by being useful to wherever you guess industry is going to be in ten years is stupid. Just do what you can, and devote your energies to organizing.