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We have effective weightloss drugs now like ozempic and semaglutide. What effect do people report from them? Reduction in appetite. Which tells us the obvious

by XorNot 3y ago

We have effective weightloss drugs now like ozempic and semaglutide. What effect do people report from them? Reduction in appetite. Which tells us the obvious truth: you need to eat less or parity calories in then you do going out. A nutrition professor ate nothing but Twinkies and lost weight[1] while doing so. Probably wasn't fun, but it worked. Someone did the same with nothing but McDonald's[2]. Your entire list is just a list of your perception of "virtuous" activities, and has nothing at all to do with whether or not you'll gain or lose weight. It's lies, judgement and irrelevancy to push an agenda about how people should live, rather then sticking to the observable facts of the matter. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.profe... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/woman-says-mcdonalds-diet-took-weight-flna1c9441428 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/woman-says-mcdona...

berkes 3y ago
Nonsense. There is a clear and proven correlation and causation between those "virtuous activities" and health. From my country, where "everyone" cycles to work, two random papers: https://www.uu.nl/en/news/dutch-bikers-live-six-months-longer https://www.uu.nl/en/news/dutch-bikers-live-six-months-longe... https://www.kimnet.nl/binaries/kimnet/documenten/rapporten/2021/03/11/het-verband-tussen-gezondheid-en-actief-reizen/The+relationship+between+health+and+active+travel_def.pdf https://www.kimnet.nl/binaries/kimnet/documenten/rapporten/2...
erfgh 3y ago
Saying "you need to eat less calories than you expend in order to lose weight" is like saying "to win in chess just mate your opponent's king". It's just saying the same thing in different words. The fact of the matter is that people that don't do those virtuous activities have a very difficult time maintaining a healthy weight and people that do do those virtuous activities have a much easier time.
- XorNot 3y ago
  A home cooked meal is not "better" for you in terms of calories then anything else. Carbohydrates are incredibly energy dense, in ways people just don't expect. Milk is incredibly energy dense - so is bread. Now this is normally the point someone says "well obviously you have to cook things which don't..." - yeah. Exactly. Whether or not it's "home cooked" doesn't matter. What matters is you have a calorie budget per day and you need to not exceed it on average. Virtuous activities don't accomplish much of anything directly. Walking just plain doesn't burn that many extra calories.[1] The benefit of that whole list is basically "it's hard to eat while you're walking or not at home or at the shops". The benefit of the improved cardio-fitness is going to make you feel better, but you won't burn a lot of extra calories. That's what I mean about lies and judgement: "throw away the TV" - why? It's got nothing to do with anything. Sitting around reading a book is just as sedentary. Telling people they have to do a bunch of things which aren't associated with the core outcome is just setting them up to fail - or have unrealistic expectations because everyone has a different built-in sense of "correct" about food. To actually help people you start from the core facts, and give them the tools to figure out what habits are going to work for them. Try counting calories for a week and get a sense for what healthy portion sizes and meal composition actually looks like (this is where nutrition labels help a lot). The conclusion of "do home cooked meals" is one which follows - maybe - from that exercise, but it's absolute fiction to think that it's impossible to gain weight if you only cook at home. [1] https://greatist.com/fitness/calories-burned-walking#calories-burned-walking https://greatist.com/fitness/calories-burned-walking#calorie...

by XorNot 3y ago

berkes 3y ago

Nonsense. There is a clear and proven correlation and causation between those "virtuous activities" and health. From my country, where "everyone" cycles to work, two random papers: https://www.uu.nl/en/news/dutch-bikers-live-six-months-longer https://www.uu.nl/en/news/dutch-bikers-live-six-months-longe... https://www.kimnet.nl/binaries/kimnet/documenten/rapporten/2021/03/11/het-verband-tussen-gezondheid-en-actief-reizen/The+relationship+between+health+and+active+travel_def.pdf https://www.kimnet.nl/binaries/kimnet/documenten/rapporten/2...

erfgh 3y ago

Saying "you need to eat less calories than you expend in order to lose weight" is like saying "to win in chess just mate your opponent's king". It's just saying the same thing in different words. The fact of the matter is that people that don't do those virtuous activities have a very difficult time maintaining a healthy weight and people that do do those virtuous activities have a much easier time.

XorNot 3y ago
A home cooked meal is not "better" for you in terms of calories then anything else. Carbohydrates are incredibly energy dense, in ways people just don't expect. Milk is incredibly energy dense - so is bread. Now this is normally the point someone says "well obviously you have to cook things which don't..." - yeah. Exactly. Whether or not it's "home cooked" doesn't matter. What matters is you have a calorie budget per day and you need to not exceed it on average. Virtuous activities don't accomplish much of anything directly. Walking just plain doesn't burn that many extra calories.[1] The benefit of that whole list is basically "it's hard to eat while you're walking or not at home or at the shops". The benefit of the improved cardio-fitness is going to make you feel better, but you won't burn a lot of extra calories. That's what I mean about lies and judgement: "throw away the TV" - why? It's got nothing to do with anything. Sitting around reading a book is just as sedentary. Telling people they have to do a bunch of things which aren't associated with the core outcome is just setting them up to fail - or have unrealistic expectations because everyone has a different built-in sense of "correct" about food. To actually help people you start from the core facts, and give them the tools to figure out what habits are going to work for them. Try counting calories for a week and get a sense for what healthy portion sizes and meal composition actually looks like (this is where nutrition labels help a lot). The conclusion of "do home cooked meals" is one which follows - maybe - from that exercise, but it's absolute fiction to think that it's impossible to gain weight if you only cook at home. [1] https://greatist.com/fitness/calories-burned-walking#calories-burned-walking https://greatist.com/fitness/calories-burned-walking#calorie...