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The universe isn’t thought to be infinite in that sense- it’s finite but unbounded. There is a finite amount of space that did, we think, originate from an infi
by scotchmi_st 3y ago
The universe isn’t thought to be infinite in that sense- it’s finite but unbounded. There is a finite amount of space that did, we think, originate from an infinitesimal point.
Imagine getting in a spaceship and setting off in a direction, close to the speed of light- if you travelled for long enough you’d arrive back where you started. Like someone walking on the surface of the earth.
Any current cosmologists can correct me, but I believe the consensus is that the shape of the universe is a hyper-spheroid, I.e a 4D sphere.
- sillysaurusx 3y agoIs there an experiment which leads us to believe that the universe wraps around? I’d be very interested in any details supporting this idea.
- scotchmi_st 3y agoI mean, there’s plenty of evidence for the Big Bang, and if that’s the case then the most likely shape that falls out of the maths is a hypersphere, like inflating a balloon as others have said.
- mr_mitm 3y agoNo, the big bang model allows for three topologies: flat, spherical or hyperbolical. A picture like this is in every cosmology textbook: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/End_of_universe.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/End_of_u... Which one it is depends on the density. There is a critical density at which the universe is flat, and our current best measurements basically allow for all three possibilities. It's just hard to say if something is flat or actually spherical but really, really huge.
- ben_w 3y agoIf there were certain patterns in two different (opposite?) parts of the CMB, that would suggest it wraps. None have been found, so if it does wrap it's bigger than that.
- ars 3y agoThis is a very compelling theory - but it has no evidence for it. Searches for "repeats" in the CMB (where light traveled all the way around and repeated) have not found anything.
- carb 3y agoAs cool as that would be, most experiments still believe the curvature of space to be flat, which means if you travel endlessly in one direction relative to a starting point, you will never return to that starting point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe
- ben_w 3y agoNot returning to your start means not connected, rather than not flat. Pac Man and Asteroids are flat but connected, a helix is curved everywhere but not connected.
- carb 3y agoThat's true but when talking about space being flat vs having a curve, 2D and 3D visualizations are just to help explain the concept. All current evidence points to the shape of space and the universe being relatively "boring" in that it behaves roughly like people would expect unless in the presence of a strong gravitational field.
- sillysaurusx 3y agoExactly. Which leads straight to the contradiction when saying that the universe was only 10cm in diameter at a certain early time. If there’s no end, how does it have a diameter?
- SAI_Peregrinus 3y agoThe portion of the universe we can observe was 10cm in diameter. If there's more it's outside our light cone and we can never reach it or be affected by it, so it may as well not exist. The observable universe seems to be fininte, but seems to act like a finite portion of an infinite universe.
- kuchenbecker 3y agoThe apple explanation is wrong and needs to be qualified with "observable". Your understanding is correct.