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The reaction of China and South Korea is hilariously hypocritical. Both countries have been dumping nuclear waste water in the ocean for years - and continue do

The reaction of China and South Korea is hilariously hypocritical. Both countries have been dumping nuclear waste water in the ocean for years - and continue doing that. Geopolitics at it's worst.

Mantequilla_ 3y ago
I was reading that article earlier this morning https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/31/radioactive-seafood-complaints-from-beijing-and-hong-kong-about-fukushima-wastewater-scream-of-hypocrisy/ https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/31/radioactive-seafood-compla... that indeed corroborate your saying.
hedgehog0 3y ago
Source?
- ghusto 3y ago
  Last 50+ years of history especially, but pretty much as much history as you can find for the region.
colordrops 3y ago
Or at its accidental best. Anything to reduce fishing or animal farming is a tremendously good thing for the environment.
fomine3 3y ago
To be fair, current Korean regime is calm.
nonsense_stream 3y ago
You do realize that neither South Korea nor China has ever dumped any nuclear POLLUTED (directly in contact with core) water into the ocean? I do not know where you come from, but blind trust in the Japanese government or TEPCO could also be geopolitics at it's worst. Especially if you consider that many of the families influential of Japanese politics during WW2 when they did horrible things in Korea and China still have influence today (unlike the case in Germany), taking the point of view from those who got invaded and lost tens of millions of lives, many in horrific massacres comparable to the holocaust, perhaps merely distrust is itself already very generous. I would favor the stance to demand more transparency and even more independent international investigation before measures are taken than to brush it off as no issue, even if only just for the peace of mind to the people of Korea and China. EDIT: Typo
corethree 3y ago
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dirtyid 3y ago
So why not dump this very safe water on Japanese soil? There's lakes and reservoirs a short drive away. A few tankers a day over 30 years to clear up 1.25 million tons is cheap to losing 600M of fish exports per year to PRC and barely impact local enviroment on time scales involved. Maybe inspire some new Godzilla movies. Oh wait, it's because Japanese domestic politics wouldn't allow it. So gov would rather internationalize the issue. Japanese domestic politics at it's worst.
- Prickle 3y ago
  Because that's not how dilution works? That part should be incredibly obvious. I keep seeing this nonsense about "why not dump it into the dirt", as if that ever made any sense. The answer is always simple, there is already a massive amount of Tritium in the ocean. The water, is also literally sea water. It is salt water taken from the ocean, now with some radioactive isotopes of hydrogen (H20 remember?) which is called tritium. The dilution process literally takes sea water, and mixes it. Dumping salt water into a local lake or river, or the dirt is literally what starts ecological disasters. But you didn't even do basic research did you?
  - dirtyid 3y ago
    >Because that's not how dilution works ... >But you didn't even do basic research did you? It makes sense BECAUSE that's exactly how dilution works. Diluting in Japanese lakes (or just the closest) is still as safe as diluting the fucking ocean because japanese lakes are also fucking massive relative to volume of water to be released. Politicians chose ocean because domestic politics. Use your brain and do some basic math. Dump all 1.25 tons / 1.2B litres / 660T becquerels into Lake Inawashiro @ 5.4km3 / 5.4T litres and it'll work out to ~120 becquerels of tritium per litre, still less than WHO limit of 10,000 per litre for drinking water. Diluting 1/5400 of the one lake with some salt water, +0.01% salienty, which is... drum roll fresh water territory. That's dumping everything at once. Now spread it out over 30 years. Spread that out over even more bodies of water and it's even more trivial. JP gov chose negligible domestic ecologic disaster with terrible domestic optics that will affect domestic sentiment and governance for negligible chance of international disaster with more managable optics. Which is still based on assumption that TEPCO can be trusted for decades and release will indeed be negligible. But we both know that's far from certain given reputation, hence JP gov would rather hedge by offloading potential political fallout into international commons, because they can't trust TEPCO not to fuck around on the time scale involved, so best not even risk something as sensitive as more radiation drama on JP soil. They'd rather risk losing 100s of billions in fishing exports than potential domestic ire. Which is fine. But also recognize this issue has as much if not more politics considerations than science. But you didn't even do basic political/geopolitical thinking relative to science did you?

The reaction of China and South Korea is hilariously hypocritical. Both countries have been dumping nuclear waste water in the ocean for years - and continue doing that. Geopolitics at it's worst.

Mantequilla_ 3y ago

I was reading that article earlier this morning https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/31/radioactive-seafood-complaints-from-beijing-and-hong-kong-about-fukushima-wastewater-scream-of-hypocrisy/ https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/31/radioactive-seafood-compla... that indeed corroborate your saying.

hedgehog0 3y ago

Source?

ghusto 3y ago
Last 50+ years of history especially, but pretty much as much history as you can find for the region.

colordrops 3y ago

Or at its accidental best. Anything to reduce fishing or animal farming is a tremendously good thing for the environment.

fomine3 3y ago

To be fair, current Korean regime is calm.

nonsense_stream 3y ago

You do realize that neither South Korea nor China has ever dumped any nuclear POLLUTED (directly in contact with core) water into the ocean? I do not know where you come from, but blind trust in the Japanese government or TEPCO could also be geopolitics at it's worst. Especially if you consider that many of the families influential of Japanese politics during WW2 when they did horrible things in Korea and China still have influence today (unlike the case in Germany), taking the point of view from those who got invaded and lost tens of millions of lives, many in horrific massacres comparable to the holocaust, perhaps merely distrust is itself already very generous. I would favor the stance to demand more transparency and even more independent international investigation before measures are taken than to brush it off as no issue, even if only just for the peace of mind to the people of Korea and China. EDIT: Typo

corethree 3y ago

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dirtyid 3y ago

So why not dump this very safe water on Japanese soil? There's lakes and reservoirs a short drive away. A few tankers a day over 30 years to clear up 1.25 million tons is cheap to losing 600M of fish exports per year to PRC and barely impact local enviroment on time scales involved. Maybe inspire some new Godzilla movies. Oh wait, it's because Japanese domestic politics wouldn't allow it. So gov would rather internationalize the issue. Japanese domestic politics at it's worst.

Prickle 3y ago
Because that's not how dilution works? That part should be incredibly obvious. I keep seeing this nonsense about "why not dump it into the dirt", as if that ever made any sense. The answer is always simple, there is already a massive amount of Tritium in the ocean. The water, is also literally sea water. It is salt water taken from the ocean, now with some radioactive isotopes of hydrogen (H20 remember?) which is called tritium. The dilution process literally takes sea water, and mixes it. Dumping salt water into a local lake or river, or the dirt is literally what starts ecological disasters. But you didn't even do basic research did you?
- dirtyid 3y ago
  >Because that's not how dilution works ... >But you didn't even do basic research did you? It makes sense BECAUSE that's exactly how dilution works. Diluting in Japanese lakes (or just the closest) is still as safe as diluting the fucking ocean because japanese lakes are also fucking massive relative to volume of water to be released. Politicians chose ocean because domestic politics. Use your brain and do some basic math. Dump all 1.25 tons / 1.2B litres / 660T becquerels into Lake Inawashiro @ 5.4km3 / 5.4T litres and it'll work out to ~120 becquerels of tritium per litre, still less than WHO limit of 10,000 per litre for drinking water. Diluting 1/5400 of the one lake with some salt water, +0.01% salienty, which is... drum roll fresh water territory. That's dumping everything at once. Now spread it out over 30 years. Spread that out over even more bodies of water and it's even more trivial. JP gov chose negligible domestic ecologic disaster with terrible domestic optics that will affect domestic sentiment and governance for negligible chance of international disaster with more managable optics. Which is still based on assumption that TEPCO can be trusted for decades and release will indeed be negligible. But we both know that's far from certain given reputation, hence JP gov would rather hedge by offloading potential political fallout into international commons, because they can't trust TEPCO not to fuck around on the time scale involved, so best not even risk something as sensitive as more radiation drama on JP soil. They'd rather risk losing 100s of billions in fishing exports than potential domestic ire. Which is fine. But also recognize this issue has as much if not more politics considerations than science. But you didn't even do basic political/geopolitical thinking relative to science did you?