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> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon Discord was enshittified years ago. It's just that nothing really changed

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon Discord was enshittified years ago. It's just that nothing really changed recently, unlike Twitter/Reddit, so it's not making the news. You've got a platform that's completely inaccessible without an account. Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. And Discord can then ban you arbitrarily, despite never posting a single message (the one saving grace is that you can email them about it, and they'll often restore the brand new account, if you don't mind the weeks worth of waiting). And that doesn't cover the five minute rigamarole of logging in (enter user/pass, fill in captcha, get told that this is an unrecognised IP/device, wait for email to arrive, open Discord email, click on link*, click Authorize, fill in user/pass again, solve captcha) - why do I have to do this just to view content? * Bonus: the link has like a ~5 minute expiry, so you can't just go and do something else during the process, or you'll have to start over from the beginning

seanhunter 3y ago
Goodness knows you can validly critise discord for any number of reasons but the time taken to log in on an untrusted device isn't really one that resonates with me. I have done this recently and the process took all of 5 seconds. Here's the process if you have a phone and want to do it fast: 1. Click login on discord on the untrusted device. It shows a qr code next to the credentials box. 2. Log in on phone (which for me is just a faceid check). 3. Scan qr code. Now you're logged in on the untrusted device. No captcha, no username/password typing on the untrusted device, no second factor even (because your phone is logged in using 2FA so you're using that trust) and definitely no email verification.
- RaisingSpear 3y ago
  Good to know. I refuse to let a bunch of things touch my phone (Discord doesn't exactly have a stellar privacy record), so have never tried, but for those that don't care so much about privacy, it sounds reasonable. But hopefully you can at least understand how unnecessarily convoluted Discord makes the process if you don't have or want to use a phone.
  - seanhunter 3y ago
    So if you choose not to do the thing that is designed to make the process simple then the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device. I don't really see it as unnecessarily convoluted, but even if it was, you inflicted that on yourself did you not? I care a lot about privacy and for me personally, logging in to discord on my own phone in order to log in on seamlessly on an untrusted device seems less bad than logging in to some arbitrary system using my actual creds. The latter combines any threat from discord with threats from password sniffing either while I'm getting creds to the device or on the device itself.
    - RaisingSpear 3y ago
      > the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device This is not my experience. Logging into Reddit/Twitter/Hacker News etc is nowhere near that level of convoluted. > you inflicted that on yourself did you not? That's like stating that an assault victim is inflicting damage on themselves by choosing not to comply with their assailant. Okay, perhaps not the best analogy, but hopefully you get the point. But no, I don't want to login at all. However Discord decided that I must, if I want to access info, and Discord imposed this procedure onto me, unless I comply with their (what I consider to be unreasonable) dance.
      - seanhunter 3y ago
        I don't buy your analogy as being at all equivalent. You literally had two choices, chose the hard option and then complained that it was hard. I totally understand making a tradeoff if you think that it preserves privacy (which I don't agree with as I explained above) but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it.
        RaisingSpear 3y ago
        > but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it. "Entry into this establishment requires an exorbitant 20 minute procedure, or you can bypass that by showing nudie pics of yourself." Me: why do I have to go through this 20 minute procedure? You: you don't. I understand that not everyone is comfortable with showing nudie pics, but I don't think it's reasonable to complain about the alternative. Sorry, hard disagree with you, but I see that you're set on your opinion, and I'm set on mine, so let's just leave it at that.
- tomjen3 3y ago
  That assumes you have it on your phone.
- gaws 3y ago
  Has anyone figured out a way to remove the phone number attached to an account?
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    Does the official instructions not work? https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-How-to-Remove-a-Phone-Number https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-... Never attached a number so can't test myself.
    - gaws 3y ago
      No. Discord defaults to using only a phone number for verification.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
> Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. depends on the server. I've only ran into telephone verifications on one server. But I've made 3 accounts with no more issue than HN or Reddit. >And that doesn't cover the five minute rigamarole of logging in I'm not sure I've ever been captcha'd on Discord. Is this a recent thing?
- RaisingSpear 3y ago
  I think if Discord thinks your IP is suspicious, they'll force you to enter in a mobile number when registering an account (this is obviously before joining any server). I'm guessing the captcha is the same - your device/IP is probably considered 'safe' by Discord.

seanhunter 3y ago

Goodness knows you can validly critise discord for any number of reasons but the time taken to log in on an untrusted device isn't really one that resonates with me. I have done this recently and the process took all of 5 seconds. Here's the process if you have a phone and want to do it fast: 1. Click login on discord on the untrusted device. It shows a qr code next to the credentials box. 2. Log in on phone (which for me is just a faceid check). 3. Scan qr code. Now you're logged in on the untrusted device. No captcha, no username/password typing on the untrusted device, no second factor even (because your phone is logged in using 2FA so you're using that trust) and definitely no email verification.

RaisingSpear 3y ago
Good to know. I refuse to let a bunch of things touch my phone (Discord doesn't exactly have a stellar privacy record), so have never tried, but for those that don't care so much about privacy, it sounds reasonable. But hopefully you can at least understand how unnecessarily convoluted Discord makes the process if you don't have or want to use a phone.
- seanhunter 3y ago
  So if you choose not to do the thing that is designed to make the process simple then the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device. I don't really see it as unnecessarily convoluted, but even if it was, you inflicted that on yourself did you not? I care a lot about privacy and for me personally, logging in to discord on my own phone in order to log in on seamlessly on an untrusted device seems less bad than logging in to some arbitrary system using my actual creds. The latter combines any threat from discord with threats from password sniffing either while I'm getting creds to the device or on the device itself.
  - RaisingSpear 3y ago
    > the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device This is not my experience. Logging into Reddit/Twitter/Hacker News etc is nowhere near that level of convoluted. > you inflicted that on yourself did you not? That's like stating that an assault victim is inflicting damage on themselves by choosing not to comply with their assailant. Okay, perhaps not the best analogy, but hopefully you get the point. But no, I don't want to login at all. However Discord decided that I must, if I want to access info, and Discord imposed this procedure onto me, unless I comply with their (what I consider to be unreasonable) dance.
    - seanhunter 3y ago
      I don't buy your analogy as being at all equivalent. You literally had two choices, chose the hard option and then complained that it was hard. I totally understand making a tradeoff if you think that it preserves privacy (which I don't agree with as I explained above) but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it.
      - RaisingSpear 3y ago
        > but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it. "Entry into this establishment requires an exorbitant 20 minute procedure, or you can bypass that by showing nudie pics of yourself." Me: why do I have to go through this 20 minute procedure? You: you don't. I understand that not everyone is comfortable with showing nudie pics, but I don't think it's reasonable to complain about the alternative. Sorry, hard disagree with you, but I see that you're set on your opinion, and I'm set on mine, so let's just leave it at that.
tomjen3 3y ago
That assumes you have it on your phone.
gaws 3y ago
Has anyone figured out a way to remove the phone number attached to an account?
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  Does the official instructions not work? https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-How-to-Remove-a-Phone-Number https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-... Never attached a number so can't test myself.
  - gaws 3y ago
    No. Discord defaults to using only a phone number for verification.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

> Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. depends on the server. I've only ran into telephone verifications on one server. But I've made 3 accounts with no more issue than HN or Reddit. >And that doesn't cover the five minute rigamarole of logging in I'm not sure I've ever been captcha'd on Discord. Is this a recent thing?

RaisingSpear 3y ago
I think if Discord thinks your IP is suspicious, they'll force you to enter in a mobile number when registering an account (this is obviously before joining any server). I'm guessing the captcha is the same - your device/IP is probably considered 'safe' by Discord.