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100% Having worked in offices, remotely, and with offshore teams I can say that remote work leads to really bad outcomes from team members who don’t want to be
by Affric 3y ago
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Having worked in offices, remotely, and with offshore teams I can say that remote work leads to really bad outcomes from team members who don’t want to be part of the team. Worse than having them in the office.
I think the big part is that, at least in work culture here, that you simply cannot call someone out for not doing their job. There’s no shame. No cost. Nothing to avoid.
There’s performance plans. There’s meetings. There’s never radical intervention that leads to the change needed to have people shit or get off the pot.
This is good financially for these people in the short term but in my experience much worse for their careers in the long term.
WFH would be way easier on us if people had the freedom/were enabled to leave jobs they hate.
- xwdv 3y agoYou call me out for not doing work I’ll call you out for not doing work. Mutually assured destruction. I keep a file on my computer with many co-workers names and lists of things they’ve done to fuck up or times they didn’t do any work just in case.
- rikthevik 3y agoLet's see the list! I'm interested!
- nimbleplum40 3y agoDo you also keep a list of times coworkers went above and beyond or did exceptionally good work?
- xwdv 3y agoNo because it would be a very short list.
- fortylove 3y agoThis seems really unhealthy.
- RajT88 3y agoIt's MAD if they know you have that list. If you publicize that list, you are likely to destroy yourself. Nukes are an effective deterrent only if people think you have them (and think you might use them).
- decremental 3y agoWorth noting this is some straight up psycho behavior.
- Gigachad 3y agoProbably wouldn’t even work. Imagine getting called up about low performance and instead of responding to it you pull up a list of what everyone else is doing. If I was their manager, that would be a really bad look for the person.
- tamimio 3y ago>I keep a file on my computer with many co-workers names an I honestly don’t think it’s your mistake to act that way, I think it’s the leadership in there who are not working enough to build enough trust in that work environment so that so you need a CYA folder.
- Affric 3y agoSo with the guy not meeting the sprint requirements wouldn’t that have been discussed in the retrospective?
- dns_snek 3y agoThat sounds very toxic. Are you working on your "file" on company time, or are you spending your personal time compiling a case against your own coworkers? If you're delivering value then you don't need the file, and if you're not, then you should be fired.
- gaws 3y agoThis sounds like a LARP.
- lamontcg 3y ago> remote work leads to really bad outcomes from team members who don’t want to be part of the team. garbage in, garbage out.
- deprecative 3y agoI don't want to be a part of your team. I don't want to be a part of any team. Being a part of a team is used as leverage to make me willing to do shit that I'm not paid for. I don't care about you, your kids, your parents, your spouse. If you got hit by a bus tomorrow I wouldn't care. So and so died? Whatever. Why should I care? Let's say we all come together as a team and knock it out what happens? Layoffs and one or more of us have to go. We get a $25 gift card to Starbucks? If you want me to be a part of the team you have to make that team have meaning and benefit. That I work with you is neither. Those I work with are no more important to me than the shit stain I power washed off the toilet bowl. If we miss goals? What happens. Nothing. If we hit goals what happens? Maybe the PM and EM will get a small bonus and we're all made to work hard to achieve that level of productivity with no benefit. So, sorry, no, I don't want to be a part of your team.
- Affric 3y agoYeah... so why are you wherever you are in the first place? To cynically carry out actions as though you aren't just doing what you are railing against anyway? That's exactly my point. Why be there except for your need of income to be exploited?
- deprecative 3y agoI have a job to pay my bills. I do not have a job to play pretend friends with my coworkers who won't give two shits if I get fired, quit, or die in a week. Anything I say to them can and will be used against me in the court of HR. There's no benefit to engaging with them beyond having my time wasted by listening to them talk about their insufferable lives.
- Affric 3y agoYes... so you should be empowered to leave said job.
- deprecative 3y agoWhich has nothing to do with being a part of a "team". I don't understand where you think this is going.