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It also shows naked greed. Hashicorp’s founding as an open source company was a bet that a company could open source everything and still mint money. And mint

It also shows naked greed. Hashicorp’s founding as an open source company was a bet that a company could open source everything and still mint money. And mint it did, billions, in the IPO. And now, abandoning its ideals for the sake of money, I feel a lot less optimistic about open source going forward.

pojzon 3y ago
What about other companies that started building competing solutions based on HC oss tools ? Also makes me question OSS promise when w/e I build will be captured by CloudProvider or cheaper alternative. Why I would build anything OSS if my time will never pay off ?
- steno132 3y ago
  Personally, I trusted the founders. Having followed Mitchell Hashimoto’s work on Vagrant, I felt like he and Armon were truly value driven and not purely money oriented. But it’s true, dollars corrupt and billions of dollars corrupt absolutely.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    What are you talking about? Companies need to make money to pay people. Hashicorp made a net loss of $290m last year[0]. [0] https://ir.hashicorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hashicorp-announces-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-year-2023 https://ir.hashicorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/...
    - steno132 3y ago
      Ideals are more important than money. And Hashicorp’s founders sacrificed ideals for the sake of billions.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        I don't know what this actually means. Should Hashicorp's employees work for no money, because ideals are more important than money? Money is just necessary. It doesn't matter if other things are more important on some theoretical hierarchy. If you need a necessary thing then that's all that matters.
    - dwaite 3y ago
      There are innumerable bad ways to try to make money. I suspect this license change will turn out to be one of them.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        Shrug. Point is, wanting to make enough money to make a sustainable business isn't "money corrupting people".

pojzon 3y ago

What about other companies that started building competing solutions based on HC oss tools ? Also makes me question OSS promise when w/e I build will be captured by CloudProvider or cheaper alternative. Why I would build anything OSS if my time will never pay off ?

steno132 3y ago
Personally, I trusted the founders. Having followed Mitchell Hashimoto’s work on Vagrant, I felt like he and Armon were truly value driven and not purely money oriented. But it’s true, dollars corrupt and billions of dollars corrupt absolutely.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  What are you talking about? Companies need to make money to pay people. Hashicorp made a net loss of $290m last year[0]. [0] https://ir.hashicorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hashicorp-announces-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-year-2023 https://ir.hashicorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/...
  - steno132 3y ago
    Ideals are more important than money. And Hashicorp’s founders sacrificed ideals for the sake of billions.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      I don't know what this actually means. Should Hashicorp's employees work for no money, because ideals are more important than money? Money is just necessary. It doesn't matter if other things are more important on some theoretical hierarchy. If you need a necessary thing then that's all that matters.
  - dwaite 3y ago
    There are innumerable bad ways to try to make money. I suspect this license change will turn out to be one of them.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      Shrug. Point is, wanting to make enough money to make a sustainable business isn't "money corrupting people".