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Not that it's much better, but wouldn't it be a duopoly considering that AMD is also a big player? Hopefully Intel continues to improve it's GPU offerings

tric 3y ago
> wouldn't it be a duopoly considering that AMD is also a big player? I don't think GPUs are commoditized. You can't swap a Nvida GPU with a AMD GPU, and get the same performance/results.
- midhir 3y ago
  AMD seem to be catching up quickly lately. I'm running Stable Diffusion, Llama-2, and Pytorch on a 7900XTX right now. Getting it up and running even on an unsupported Linux distro is relatively straightforward. Details for Arch are here: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2584462 https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2584462 The HIP interface even has almost exact interoperability with CUDA, so you don't have to rewrite your code.
  - ABeeSea 3y ago
    Inference and training are not the same things. AMD has basically no market share in training.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    Now try doing the same on Windows.
capableweb 3y ago
> Not that it's much better, but wouldn't it be a duopoly considering that AMD is also a big player? Not sure AMD would be considered a big player, what would be the percentage threshold for that? According to the Steam Hardware (& Software) Survey (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...), ~75% of computers with Steam running has a NVIDIA GPU, while ~15% has a AMD GPU. AMD is the closest to a competitor NVIDIA has, but they are also very far away from even being close to their market-share. I'm sure in AI/ML spaces, NVIDIA holds a even higher market-share due to CUDA and the rest of the ecosystem, at least in gaming things are pretty much "plug and play" when it comes to switching between AMD/NVIDIA hardware, but no such luck in most cases with AI/ML.
- swyx 3y ago
  > ~75% of computers with Steam running has a NVIDIA GPU, while ~15% has a AMD GPU. and thats the consumer market, which lets say is 30% of the B2B enterprise market, which is probably even higher % nvidia
  - User23 3y ago
    AI cloud is something like 95% Nvidia.
  - izacus 3y ago
    And then there's the console market, with more units sold than PC gaming market, with 100% AMD GPUs.
    - zirgs 3y ago
      The Switch is based on Nvidia hardware.
      - izacus 3y ago
        And the high budget consoles aren't.
  - michaelt 3y ago
    > the B2B enterprise market, which is probably even higher % nvidia I'd wager the enterprise market is 90% intel integrated graphics. It's the cheapest option, the best for laptop battery life, and modern integrated graphics can run excel and a web browser at 4k just fine.

tric 3y ago

> wouldn't it be a duopoly considering that AMD is also a big player? I don't think GPUs are commoditized. You can't swap a Nvida GPU with a AMD GPU, and get the same performance/results.

midhir 3y ago
AMD seem to be catching up quickly lately. I'm running Stable Diffusion, Llama-2, and Pytorch on a 7900XTX right now. Getting it up and running even on an unsupported Linux distro is relatively straightforward. Details for Arch are here: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2584462 https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2584462 The HIP interface even has almost exact interoperability with CUDA, so you don't have to rewrite your code.
- ABeeSea 3y ago
  Inference and training are not the same things. AMD has basically no market share in training.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Now try doing the same on Windows.

capableweb 3y ago

> Not that it's much better, but wouldn't it be a duopoly considering that AMD is also a big player? Not sure AMD would be considered a big player, what would be the percentage threshold for that? According to the Steam Hardware (& Software) Survey (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...), ~75% of computers with Steam running has a NVIDIA GPU, while ~15% has a AMD GPU. AMD is the closest to a competitor NVIDIA has, but they are also very far away from even being close to their market-share. I'm sure in AI/ML spaces, NVIDIA holds a even higher market-share due to CUDA and the rest of the ecosystem, at least in gaming things are pretty much "plug and play" when it comes to switching between AMD/NVIDIA hardware, but no such luck in most cases with AI/ML.

swyx 3y ago
> ~75% of computers with Steam running has a NVIDIA GPU, while ~15% has a AMD GPU. and thats the consumer market, which lets say is 30% of the B2B enterprise market, which is probably even higher % nvidia
- User23 3y ago
  AI cloud is something like 95% Nvidia.
- izacus 3y ago
  And then there's the console market, with more units sold than PC gaming market, with 100% AMD GPUs.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    The Switch is based on Nvidia hardware.
    - izacus 3y ago
      And the high budget consoles aren't.
- michaelt 3y ago
  > the B2B enterprise market, which is probably even higher % nvidia I'd wager the enterprise market is 90% intel integrated graphics. It's the cheapest option, the best for laptop battery life, and modern integrated graphics can run excel and a web browser at 4k just fine.