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> Unless the number you give is significantly higher than any of your potential employers are ever going to offer you, you are shortchanging yourself by giving

> Unless the number you give is significantly higher than any of your potential employers are ever going to offer you, you are shortchanging yourself by giving that number Then do better research before going into the meeting instead of playing games after multiple interviews rounds. Also companies don't have a lot of incentive to pay too much under market rate anyway, especially for higher end jobs where they provide some training, or churn from people getting pushed constantly for a dollar more will kill their business.

pdonis 3y ago
> do better research before going into the meeting Research in the sense of information you can find without having detailed inside information about the company will tell you general salary ranges, which, as I said, will tell you whether it's worth your while to be talking to this company at all. But it won't give you a solid enough number that it's worth risking shooting yourself in the foot by giving it. > companies don't have a lot of incentive to pay too much under market rate anyway This means you are likely to get an offer that's at least market rate (so, as above, you know whether it's worth your while to talk to this company at all). It doesn't mean you should tell them first what you think "market rate" is, instead of them telling you what they are willing to pay in the form of an offer.
- avereveard 3y ago
  if you don't know your worth, you're entering the job market in a position of relative weakness, and no amount of third grade negotiation tricks like "not telling the first number" will make up for it. what do you think, that by witholding that number, they'll start negotiating from the upper half of their budget range? that's wishful thinking, at best. no, they will offer whatever they think they'll get away with, and it will pin your salary discussion to a number they decided I have no idea how people think that that is a good outcome.
saagarjha 3y ago
People who work for lower rates typically do not interview around a lot. Many of them will work for very low pay for years on end.

pdonis 3y ago

> do better research before going into the meeting Research in the sense of information you can find without having detailed inside information about the company will tell you general salary ranges, which, as I said, will tell you whether it's worth your while to be talking to this company at all. But it won't give you a solid enough number that it's worth risking shooting yourself in the foot by giving it. > companies don't have a lot of incentive to pay too much under market rate anyway This means you are likely to get an offer that's at least market rate (so, as above, you know whether it's worth your while to talk to this company at all). It doesn't mean you should tell them first what you think "market rate" is, instead of them telling you what they are willing to pay in the form of an offer.

avereveard 3y ago
if you don't know your worth, you're entering the job market in a position of relative weakness, and no amount of third grade negotiation tricks like "not telling the first number" will make up for it. what do you think, that by witholding that number, they'll start negotiating from the upper half of their budget range? that's wishful thinking, at best. no, they will offer whatever they think they'll get away with, and it will pin your salary discussion to a number they decided I have no idea how people think that that is a good outcome.

saagarjha 3y ago

People who work for lower rates typically do not interview around a lot. Many of them will work for very low pay for years on end.