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Denuvo security now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

27 points by kotaKat 3y ago

brucethemoose2 3y ago
I wonder what the performance overhead is...
- trehalose 3y ago
  Yeah. The Switch's CPU isn't exactly powerful by modern game console standards. I can't imagine that demanding games like Nintendo's flagship titles wouldn't have to run a little bit (or a lot) worse with Denuvo's DRM eating up cycles.
- neonsunset 3y ago
  If using Ryujinx previously was an option, it will now become a necessity :D
senkora 3y ago
> “Even if a game is protected against piracy on its PC version, the version released on Nintendo Switch can be emulated from day one and played on PC, therefore bypassing the strong protections offered on the PC version,” the company says. “This can happen with any of the numerous games available on Nintendo Switch. Oh, so that’s why games tend to release on switch after a several month delay. I always wondered about that.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  That’s not the only reason, as far as I’m aware. I believe unless you write your game in such a platform like Unity the Switch architecture and limitations are different enough from other platforms to often warrant significant extra work to port.
  - nightowl_games 3y ago
    The switch limitations sure but the architecture of the switch is very PC like, it supports OpenGLES for instance. The PS5 has the most unique API as far as I'm aware.
jstarfish 3y ago
> However, Bowser now has to fulfil the other part of his sentence, in which he has been ordered to pay $14.5 million in damages, of which a $10 million payment to Nintendo is considered the priority. > Bowser has paid $175 of the $14.5 million damages owed to date After decades of kidnapping women and terrorizing the Mushroom Kingdom, Bowser finally faced justice for...circumventing DRM.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  Bowser is an interesting case. He was clearly not an accidental victim of circumstance but his reparations are so far beyond what he did that it’s a good example of how corporations have the ability to crucify people way beyond what they should have the ability to do.
  - nhinck2 3y ago
    It very much seems like it should fall foul of cruel and unusual punishment protections. But I guess that the problem with wording it that way is that maybe bankrupting an individual for life isn't considered cruel and unusual anymore.
    - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
      It is really sad. I’m sure the world isn’t coming out to support Gary Bowser because there are many others who are actual victimless criminals they make better examples of system injustice. But what happened to him sets a really nasty precedent. I hope that the system eventually comes back and makes a more sane determination
  - Asraelite 3y ago
    I hadn't heard of Gary Bowser before now so I initially thought this was referring to Doug Bowser, the current CEO of Nintendo America. These two are the only people with the surname Bowser I have ever come across, and they're both related to Nintendo in some way. It's a hilarious coincidence.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
josephcsible 3y ago
Is there any crowdsourced effort we can join to somehow help break Denuvo?
- deleted 3y ago
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27 points by kotaKat 3y ago

brucethemoose2 3y ago

I wonder what the performance overhead is...

trehalose 3y ago
Yeah. The Switch's CPU isn't exactly powerful by modern game console standards. I can't imagine that demanding games like Nintendo's flagship titles wouldn't have to run a little bit (or a lot) worse with Denuvo's DRM eating up cycles.
neonsunset 3y ago
If using Ryujinx previously was an option, it will now become a necessity :D

senkora 3y ago

> “Even if a game is protected against piracy on its PC version, the version released on Nintendo Switch can be emulated from day one and played on PC, therefore bypassing the strong protections offered on the PC version,” the company says. “This can happen with any of the numerous games available on Nintendo Switch. Oh, so that’s why games tend to release on switch after a several month delay. I always wondered about that.

SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
That’s not the only reason, as far as I’m aware. I believe unless you write your game in such a platform like Unity the Switch architecture and limitations are different enough from other platforms to often warrant significant extra work to port.
- nightowl_games 3y ago
  The switch limitations sure but the architecture of the switch is very PC like, it supports OpenGLES for instance. The PS5 has the most unique API as far as I'm aware.

jstarfish 3y ago

> However, Bowser now has to fulfil the other part of his sentence, in which he has been ordered to pay $14.5 million in damages, of which a $10 million payment to Nintendo is considered the priority. > Bowser has paid $175 of the $14.5 million damages owed to date After decades of kidnapping women and terrorizing the Mushroom Kingdom, Bowser finally faced justice for...circumventing DRM.

SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
Bowser is an interesting case. He was clearly not an accidental victim of circumstance but his reparations are so far beyond what he did that it’s a good example of how corporations have the ability to crucify people way beyond what they should have the ability to do.
- nhinck2 3y ago
  It very much seems like it should fall foul of cruel and unusual punishment protections. But I guess that the problem with wording it that way is that maybe bankrupting an individual for life isn't considered cruel and unusual anymore.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
    It is really sad. I’m sure the world isn’t coming out to support Gary Bowser because there are many others who are actual victimless criminals they make better examples of system injustice. But what happened to him sets a really nasty precedent. I hope that the system eventually comes back and makes a more sane determination
- Asraelite 3y ago
  I hadn't heard of Gary Bowser before now so I initially thought this was referring to Doug Bowser, the current CEO of Nintendo America. These two are the only people with the surname Bowser I have ever come across, and they're both related to Nintendo in some way. It's a hilarious coincidence.
brucethemoose2 3y ago

josephcsible 3y ago

Is there any crowdsourced effort we can join to somehow help break Denuvo?

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