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What have those vegans done for animals? Just because they can’t stomach eating them doesn’t mean they actually “care” about animals enough to do something prod
by civilitty 3y ago
What have those vegans done for animals? Just because they can’t stomach eating them doesn’t mean they actually “care” about animals enough to do something productive.
In the US, hunters have long spearheaded conservation efforts. Theodore Roosevelt said, over a hundred years ago:
> “In a civilized and cultivated country, wild animals only continue to exist at all when preserved by sportsmen. The excellent people who protest against all hunting, and consider sportsmen as enemies of wildlife, are ignorant of the fact that in reality the genuine sportsman is by all odds the most important factor in keeping the larger and more valuable wild creatures from total extermination.”
He a prolific hunter himself was responsible for significant expanding the national park system and founded the wildlife refuge system.
- yencabulator 3y agoMeanwhile, humans have hunted countless species into extinction.
- MostlyStable 3y agoNot to say that we haven't hunted some species to extinction, but the vast majority of how we kill them is habitat destruction through our expanding civilization. Both are factors, but hunting is by far not the primary one.
- 000ooo000 3y agoWhy is "but we extinct more species through other activities" context of interest here? The discussion is about hunting.
- SEJeff 3y agoBecause very few species have been hunted to extinction. That’s directly contextual to the conversation. Both are a travesty fwiw, but habitat destruction is easily 10x worse when it comes to endangering species.
- msm_ 3y ago>Both are a travesty fwiw, but habitat destruction is easily 10x worse when it comes to endangering species. So you're saying that if we care about the animals, we should reduce our impact on the environment? For example, pick a diet that causes less greenhouse gas emissions? Ideally one that also results in significantly less harm to water, land and biodiversity? Makes sense.
- SEJeff 3y agoMost of the habitat destruction is directly manmade, not indirectly through climate change. Way to put words in my mouth I never said, but no :) Desertification due to unsustainable farming practice, deforestation for industrial farming (for vegetarian meals!), logging, and habitat clearing for homes and cities is the biggest contributor. They’re literally cutting down or burning the Amazon in Brazil to keep livestock and to farm the land. They do it unsustainably and the soil is robbed of all nutrients. This results in most plants dying and desertification. Want to see the best way to reverse this? Watch the (most fabulous) movie “the biggest little farm” where they turned a plot of land suffering from full desertification from monoculture farming into a small paradise teeming with life and diversity. Also, to counter your point, it’s possible to add red seaweed to livestock feed which contains enough bromoform to counter around 80% of methane production. It does this by inhibiting the enzyme that creates the methane as a byproduct.
- 000ooo000 3y agoYeah ok, but have the vegans done anything to help those species? Apart from not killing them I mean. Hunters, on the other hand, while yes, historically they may have technically sent some species extinct, they truly lead conservation efforts. Stupid hipster vegans need to pick up a gun and show that they actually care.
- marliechiller 3y agoI cant tell if this is sarcasm or not... In case it isnt, the abstinence of eating meat has an abundance of easily verifiable conservation benefits which far outweigh not eating meat. That in itself shows that they care about species. I really hope it is sarcasm though...
- 000ooo000 3y agoThe sarcasm is how I cope with some of the views in this thread.