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Sure, it sounds that way, if we assume that negotiating skill and job performance are tightly correlated. But why should we assume that?
by emodendroket 3y ago
Sure, it sounds that way, if we assume that negotiating skill and job performance are tightly correlated. But why should we assume that?
- NewEntryHN 3y agoAbove a certain threshold of talent, there is no need to negotiate at all.
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- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoIf the two traits are just randomly assorted, then sure, they'll rarely overlap at what is a statistically random rate. But, if we can assume that the "rare talent" is anything other than straight out of college, they will have discovered that they are a rare talent, be aware of it themselves, and barring some sort of crippling neurosis, want to cash in on it. They might not even be skilled at negotiating... they'll just be aware that they have leverage. We might even phrase the problem that way... that it's not so important that they have "negotiating skill", as it is that they have "leverage awareness".
- nitwit005 3y agoIf you literally wrote the book on the subject, or something similar, they'll probably just create a job role for you. But that said, not every company is trying to hire the best people. As you note, they're expensive.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoYou'd think that, and it's probably even the smart strategy for the employer... But I remember what the guy who wrote homebrew said about his Google interview process. Once an HR culture develops, anything sane or intelligent probably goes out the window.
- nitwit005 3y agoWriting a popular app is hardly the same as being the top authority in a field. I guarantee when Google hires someone like Ken Thompson, they do not get the normal Google hiring experience.
- irrational 3y agoA popular app? I hardly think homebrew is on the same level as candy crush.
- emodendroket 3y agoYeah, Candy Crush is harder to reproduce.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoI also doubt that Kenny was having to do daily scrums and explain why the web ad wootigulizer algorithm hadn't had any progress since Monday. Long since in executive management, is my guess.
- Rapzid 3y agoLet me just preface that inverting a binary tree.. Maybe they wanted a particular answer and it was an off day. That said, the author of Homebrew would be the top authority in the field of OSX package management yeah? I mean, Apple hasn't even bothered to create a competitor and yet every tech bro at Google using a MBP is going to need to install and use it..
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- madeofpalk 3y agoMaybe the homebrew guy isn't a good hire?
- emodendroket 3y agoIf it were that simple why would anyone need tips for salary negotiation? Even in pro sports, where the skills are extremely elite, all the performance stats and salaries are public, and the athletes have agents in their corner, the correlation between pay and performance is far from perfect, and negotiation mistakes can lead to players leaving huge sums on the table.
- umeshunni 3y agoThere's an old Dilbert comic that said something like "We want to hire engineers who are really good at what they do, but cannot compare two salary numbers and identify which one is larger"
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- emodendroket 3y agoThe problem isn't that; it's all the information you don't have such as "how much are they theoretically willing to pay me," "who else would hire me," "how hard can I push before they just pull the offer," "do they have other candidates they liked," and so on. On top of that, lots of people in this career are not smooth talkers and they're risk-averse.