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If he was smart enough to fake his own death, he probably would have done it in Ukraine, rather than staging the coup at all.

mrguyorama 3y ago
The assumptions for my wild ass theory are that he thought the coup was going to succeed. Remember, he drove something like a thousand kilometers towards Moscow, AFTER it was clear what he was doing. There are videos of Rosgvardia soldiers just standing by and letting his column through. He was attacked by helicopters, and shot at least one down, so it was going pretty well. IMO he honestly should have just gone through with it, but that's only because I hold no value in his life or Putin's. After it failed, I assume he knows Putin was going to at least try and kill him. That's why I think he would try to fake his own death. But eh, that's just as likely to me as some other crazy 3D chess.
- legitster 3y ago
  He personally was never actually in the convoy. So it was hard to believe he was every that invested in its success.
  - w7 3y ago
    What makes you say that? Mussolini was in Milan, and stayed in Milan, when he ordered the coup march to Rome. Mussolini lead his coup from >100-600km away from the march, why would the leader of Wagner need to be in the convoy?
- rasz 3y ago
  >After it failed but thats the thing - the coup didnt fail. Dude was ~one hour from entering Moscow and taking it over with minimal opposition lacking heavy weapons. He chose to stop, he alone decided against toppling russian government and becoming the new tzar.
kelnos 3y ago
Smart people don't always get everything right. With the information he had at the time, and the situational awareness he had at the time, he might have had reason to believe the coup could have succeeded -- or at least was the best out of bad options. There's no reason why someone might have failed at a coup but also succeeded at faking his own death to avoid repercussions. Not saying that's what's happened here, but I think your reasoning against it is flawed. People are complex, and do smart things in some situations, and dumb things in others. And sometimes the dumb things aren't obviously dumb until after the fact.

mrguyorama 3y ago

The assumptions for my wild ass theory are that he thought the coup was going to succeed. Remember, he drove something like a thousand kilometers towards Moscow, AFTER it was clear what he was doing. There are videos of Rosgvardia soldiers just standing by and letting his column through. He was attacked by helicopters, and shot at least one down, so it was going pretty well. IMO he honestly should have just gone through with it, but that's only because I hold no value in his life or Putin's. After it failed, I assume he knows Putin was going to at least try and kill him. That's why I think he would try to fake his own death. But eh, that's just as likely to me as some other crazy 3D chess.

legitster 3y ago
He personally was never actually in the convoy. So it was hard to believe he was every that invested in its success.
- w7 3y ago
  What makes you say that? Mussolini was in Milan, and stayed in Milan, when he ordered the coup march to Rome. Mussolini lead his coup from >100-600km away from the march, why would the leader of Wagner need to be in the convoy?
rasz 3y ago
>After it failed but thats the thing - the coup didnt fail. Dude was ~one hour from entering Moscow and taking it over with minimal opposition lacking heavy weapons. He chose to stop, he alone decided against toppling russian government and becoming the new tzar.

kelnos 3y ago

Smart people don't always get everything right. With the information he had at the time, and the situational awareness he had at the time, he might have had reason to believe the coup could have succeeded -- or at least was the best out of bad options. There's no reason why someone might have failed at a coup but also succeeded at faking his own death to avoid repercussions. Not saying that's what's happened here, but I think your reasoning against it is flawed. People are complex, and do smart things in some situations, and dumb things in others. And sometimes the dumb things aren't obviously dumb until after the fact.