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The system is designed to “rehabilitate” you. That is, to make it so you’re dependent on the system to live. Most offenders, repeat, sending them back to jail.

The system is designed to “rehabilitate” you. That is, to make it so you’re dependent on the system to live. Most offenders, repeat, sending them back to jail. Some have argued because it’s easier than out on the streets trying to survive. In prison you have a bed, food, shelter (though not from others). On the outside, you had to provide that. Shawshank redemption talked about this a bit when Brooks (the librarian and old man) was released to a halfway house. He monologues “On the inside, I was the man you would come to if you needed something brought in. I was somebody. On the outside, I’m an old ex-con. A nobody.”

nolok 3y ago
I always considered it an issue with the usually longer sentence in the US (compared to where I'm from in France), particularly when taking into account the stacking of sentences (where we instead have "the longest one apply and trump others). Each year, well each day really, passed behind bars makes rehabilitation harder and it feels a bit counter productive to put people for (often several) decades behind bars, at this point they have a very very small chance to be able to reintegrate properly. Not that I consider my country a paragon of virtue on that front mind you, since we're still struggling with the concept of rehabilitation instead of punishment.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  Yeah. I think having a system where society is responsible would be best. Instead of private institutions that charge the tax payers. Systems where through hard work and service to the community they can learn to survive. Those that are a threat to the community can be given their own. This was the original idea behind these prisons. Only wall of the ones who would physically harm others until deemed they are no longer a threat. It’s a mental health issue and not a criminal vs non-criminal black & white situation as the layman to the law would have you believe. It’s not about what is right or just, it’s about what you can prove. And us Americans love a good outlier to form stereotypes about a peoples.
  - gabereiser 3y ago
    Think of it this way. The world is PvE. Inside a prison it’s PvP. That should give you the clarity. Some people like pvp. Some thrive on it. Others like PvE (maybe with agreeable refereed PvP) and don’t like PvP. They want their game to follow the same rules each time they play it. Predictable. Safe. Others thrive on the chaos that each new day brings new victims and spoils. As well as threats to their own. (Hi Eve-Online players!) It’s a mindset, a choice, probably something to do with childhood. Most definitely trauma based.
watwut 3y ago
Shawshank redemption is a movie, a fiction. It never happened and characters are made up. That being said USA have rather high reoffending rates while Norway has a low one. And Norway has more pleasant prisons (and makes it easier to find a job after you have been in prison).
- gabereiser 3y ago
  Yeah no sh*t it’s a movie. There’s inspiration taken from real life. The reentry is the most important part and I’m glad to hear that Norway takes that seriously. We are all still humans. Not dogs or animals (though in some rare cases here… not so sure).

nolok 3y ago

I always considered it an issue with the usually longer sentence in the US (compared to where I'm from in France), particularly when taking into account the stacking of sentences (where we instead have "the longest one apply and trump others). Each year, well each day really, passed behind bars makes rehabilitation harder and it feels a bit counter productive to put people for (often several) decades behind bars, at this point they have a very very small chance to be able to reintegrate properly. Not that I consider my country a paragon of virtue on that front mind you, since we're still struggling with the concept of rehabilitation instead of punishment.

gabereiser 3y ago
Yeah. I think having a system where society is responsible would be best. Instead of private institutions that charge the tax payers. Systems where through hard work and service to the community they can learn to survive. Those that are a threat to the community can be given their own. This was the original idea behind these prisons. Only wall of the ones who would physically harm others until deemed they are no longer a threat. It’s a mental health issue and not a criminal vs non-criminal black & white situation as the layman to the law would have you believe. It’s not about what is right or just, it’s about what you can prove. And us Americans love a good outlier to form stereotypes about a peoples.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  Think of it this way. The world is PvE. Inside a prison it’s PvP. That should give you the clarity. Some people like pvp. Some thrive on it. Others like PvE (maybe with agreeable refereed PvP) and don’t like PvP. They want their game to follow the same rules each time they play it. Predictable. Safe. Others thrive on the chaos that each new day brings new victims and spoils. As well as threats to their own. (Hi Eve-Online players!) It’s a mindset, a choice, probably something to do with childhood. Most definitely trauma based.

watwut 3y ago

Shawshank redemption is a movie, a fiction. It never happened and characters are made up. That being said USA have rather high reoffending rates while Norway has a low one. And Norway has more pleasant prisons (and makes it easier to find a job after you have been in prison).

gabereiser 3y ago
Yeah no sh*t it’s a movie. There’s inspiration taken from real life. The reentry is the most important part and I’m glad to hear that Norway takes that seriously. We are all still humans. Not dogs or animals (though in some rare cases here… not so sure).