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IMO this gimmick is dishonest and not far from outright fabrication of results.

dang 3y ago
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
But, it was a real solution of the wave functions wasn't it? I wouldn't go so far as to say 'fabrication'.
fnordpiglet 3y ago
Huh? The paper in no way indicates anything other than they intentionally projected a yin Yang symbol and reconstructed it.
- hn8305823 3y ago
  Is that what you thought before you read the paper? Many people (including myself and others in this HN thread) seem to have taken the yin-yang image as literal insight into the physical structure of a photon. They could have used a different image, perhaps one of their institution's logo and avoided this misinterpretation. examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/SacredGeometry/comments/15xo6fq/go_figure_photon_entanglement_is_a_yinyang_symbol/ https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/quantum-yin-yang-scientists-visualize-quantum-entanglement-of-photons-for-the-first-time/
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    I didn’t have to, the subtext of the image in the linked article clearly says it was a reconstructed image they projected. As someone doing awesome science they get to choose their images. > Biphoton state holographic reconstruction. Image reconstruction. a, Coincidence image of interference between a reference SPDC state and a state obtained by a pump beam with the shape of a Ying and Yang symbol (shown in the inset). The inset scale is the same as in the main plot. b, Reconstructed amplitude and phase structure of the image imprinted on the unknown pump. Credit: Nature Photonics (2023). DOI: 10.1038/s41566-023-01272-3 It’s not their fault the world is full of people hoping to find magic when the science is more magical than where their weak imaginations led them.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    In response to your edit adding the links, the first links top comment is : > this is not an image of photon entanglement. if you read the actual paper it is explained that, in testing information reconstruction from biphoton states, the researchers encoded the Yin-Yang symbol onto the pump beam photons superimposed with reference photons. the superposition of these waveforms was then split into photon pairs which, after being separated, were sent onto a single photon sensor array. Followed by the poster say “oh god damn” The second link seems to redirect me to another story about fossils, so I’ll guess it was pulled?
  - pc86 3y ago
    I mean, just taking a step back for a second, the idea that the natural physical structure of a photon just so happens to match some Chinese philosophical symbol is laughable-borderline-hilarious. Anyone who actually believes that should probably seriously question their own gullibility.

dang 3y ago

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

But, it was a real solution of the wave functions wasn't it? I wouldn't go so far as to say 'fabrication'.

fnordpiglet 3y ago

Huh? The paper in no way indicates anything other than they intentionally projected a yin Yang symbol and reconstructed it.

hn8305823 3y ago
Is that what you thought before you read the paper? Many people (including myself and others in this HN thread) seem to have taken the yin-yang image as literal insight into the physical structure of a photon. They could have used a different image, perhaps one of their institution's logo and avoided this misinterpretation. examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/SacredGeometry/comments/15xo6fq/go_figure_photon_entanglement_is_a_yinyang_symbol/ https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/quantum-yin-yang-scientists-visualize-quantum-entanglement-of-photons-for-the-first-time/
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  I didn’t have to, the subtext of the image in the linked article clearly says it was a reconstructed image they projected. As someone doing awesome science they get to choose their images. > Biphoton state holographic reconstruction. Image reconstruction. a, Coincidence image of interference between a reference SPDC state and a state obtained by a pump beam with the shape of a Ying and Yang symbol (shown in the inset). The inset scale is the same as in the main plot. b, Reconstructed amplitude and phase structure of the image imprinted on the unknown pump. Credit: Nature Photonics (2023). DOI: 10.1038/s41566-023-01272-3 It’s not their fault the world is full of people hoping to find magic when the science is more magical than where their weak imaginations led them.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  In response to your edit adding the links, the first links top comment is : > this is not an image of photon entanglement. if you read the actual paper it is explained that, in testing information reconstruction from biphoton states, the researchers encoded the Yin-Yang symbol onto the pump beam photons superimposed with reference photons. the superposition of these waveforms was then split into photon pairs which, after being separated, were sent onto a single photon sensor array. Followed by the poster say “oh god damn” The second link seems to redirect me to another story about fossils, so I’ll guess it was pulled?
- pc86 3y ago
  I mean, just taking a step back for a second, the idea that the natural physical structure of a photon just so happens to match some Chinese philosophical symbol is laughable-borderline-hilarious. Anyone who actually believes that should probably seriously question their own gullibility.