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> I hate how the window management works. I hate how annoying it is to get two windows to show side by side. Plenty of window management apps and tools availab

> I hate how the window management works. I hate how annoying it is to get two windows to show side by side. Plenty of window management apps and tools available. Rectangle, for example. > I hate how there end up so many icons in the menu bar which are entirely unhelpful. The only ones I cannot seem to be able to remove trivially are the clock and the Control Center. Solved in mere seconds by typing "menu bar" into the System Settings search. You could literally even just hold cmd and drag almost any icon out of the bar. Not to mention any of the more involved menu bar customization apps and tools. Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? Why does an out-of-the-box Mac have to fulfill the same requirements we spent hours configuring for on a Linux machine? Where does the capability or mindset to install a tool disappear when we move from Linux to macOS?

yencabulator 3y ago
> Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? Because the "Linux bad macOS good" comments say things like the parent: > Linux may be fine if you like tinkering Are you now saying macOS requires tinkering too?
sspiff 3y ago
> Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? I'm not, I'm comparing to an unmodified, standard config Gnome or Plasma. I also use Sway, and I'm pretty sure I've spent less time customizing/configuring it than my Mac.
dagw 3y ago
Why does an out-of-the-box Mac have to fulfill the same requirements we spent hours configuring for on a Linux machine? I think part of the problem is due to Mac and Apple have traditionally sold itself as intuitive and easy-to-use out of the box. People buy a Mac because they've been told that they don't have to spend hours configuring it. Hell Apple built a whole ad campaign around how the Mac is so much easier and more intuitive to use than Windows computers. However truth is that if you're coming from Linux or Windows, a lot of MacOS is incredibly unintuitive and weird out of the box.
- roopepal 3y ago
  Yes, I do in general agree with that. I suppose my confusion really only applies in this particular context of , e.g., HN; I would expect software engineers to look at these issues differently than your average home or office user. It seems to me that this "easy to use out of the box" marketing is aimed at a different sector of users, and I would expect software engineers be able to look through this. Perhaps my expectations and assumptions are wrong. I am just curious where all the willingness to tinker and solve problems appears to disappear when we move to macOS. Windows spying on you? Oh, let's install this tool X and change a whole bunch of registry settings to prevent that. App windows behaving annoyingly on Linux? Oh, let's just switch to a completely different desktop environment/window manager or what have you. Too many icons in the menu bar on macOS? Yeah, I'm returning this machine. :)
ben-schaaf 3y ago
> Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? > > Why does an out-of-the-box Mac have to fulfill the same requirements we spent hours configuring for on a Linux machine? Pretty much all of their complaints are addressed out of the box by most of the major desktop environments. Install whatever popular distro of your choice and you can trivially put two windows side-by-side like you can on Windows.
- timeon 3y ago
  On the other hand, on MacOS there is out-of-the-box solution for cmd vs ctrl in terminal.

yencabulator 3y ago

> Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? Because the "Linux bad macOS good" comments say things like the parent: > Linux may be fine if you like tinkering Are you now saying macOS requires tinkering too?

sspiff 3y ago

> Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? I'm not, I'm comparing to an unmodified, standard config Gnome or Plasma. I also use Sway, and I'm pretty sure I've spent less time customizing/configuring it than my Mac.

dagw 3y ago

Why does an out-of-the-box Mac have to fulfill the same requirements we spent hours configuring for on a Linux machine? I think part of the problem is due to Mac and Apple have traditionally sold itself as intuitive and easy-to-use out of the box. People buy a Mac because they've been told that they don't have to spend hours configuring it. Hell Apple built a whole ad campaign around how the Mac is so much easier and more intuitive to use than Windows computers. However truth is that if you're coming from Linux or Windows, a lot of MacOS is incredibly unintuitive and weird out of the box.

roopepal 3y ago
Yes, I do in general agree with that. I suppose my confusion really only applies in this particular context of , e.g., HN; I would expect software engineers to look at these issues differently than your average home or office user. It seems to me that this "easy to use out of the box" marketing is aimed at a different sector of users, and I would expect software engineers be able to look through this. Perhaps my expectations and assumptions are wrong. I am just curious where all the willingness to tinker and solve problems appears to disappear when we move to macOS. Windows spying on you? Oh, let's install this tool X and change a whole bunch of registry settings to prevent that. App windows behaving annoyingly on Linux? Oh, let's just switch to a completely different desktop environment/window manager or what have you. Too many icons in the menu bar on macOS? Yeah, I'm returning this machine. :)

ben-schaaf 3y ago

> Why does it seem like such "macOS bad Linux good" comments always compare the default macOS experience to a personalized Linux environment? > > Why does an out-of-the-box Mac have to fulfill the same requirements we spent hours configuring for on a Linux machine? Pretty much all of their complaints are addressed out of the box by most of the major desktop environments. Install whatever popular distro of your choice and you can trivially put two windows side-by-side like you can on Windows.

timeon 3y ago
On the other hand, on MacOS there is out-of-the-box solution for cmd vs ctrl in terminal.