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You need to reset your password of your github account? Good luck with that, the captcha will screw you over. There are 6 pictures with each having 4 dices. Yo

You need to reset your password of your github account? Good luck with that, the captcha will screw you over. There are 6 pictures with each having 4 dices. You have to add up the dice count and find the picture whose dice count is equal to 14. It starts with 5 rounds, but after that you have to complete 5 more rounds. You need more than 5 seconds to solve a round? That is too slow, you have to start from the start again. A colleague had to reset his password, and it took 3 people in the zoom call and 3 tries until we were able to solve the captcha. How can anyone think that this is a good idea?

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adhvaryu 3y ago
That doesn't seem that difficult, why would you need 3 people for it? Although, having to do it >5 times is a bit much.
- becks_benny 3y ago
  Adding 4 digits is not difficult, but doing this fast enough to be accepted by the captcha system is really hard. I was not kidding when I said that if you need more then 5 seconds per round, you failed and must start again.
  - jwestbury 3y ago
    Five seconds is pretty crazy. It's not just an arithmetic problem, it's a visual recognition problem. There are plenty of ways this can go wrong, for plenty of disability reasons, many of which aren't even obvious to the person trying to solve them.
  - 8organicbits 3y ago
    Is there a computer-based solver that can solve these, but always takes longer than five seconds?
    - viraptor 3y ago
      Nah, this seems like a really basic CV problem that should be solvable in milliseconds. The hardest part would be rejecting the sides that don't face up, but even that isn't a huge deal.
- misnome 3y ago
  > That doesn't seem that difficult, why would you need 3 people for it? To know which one to click on, you have to add up all of the dice, in all of the six pictures, including upside-down/deliberately confusing numerics mixed amongst the dice. You can do that in five seconds, for 5/10/15 rounds, without a single mistake?
pipo234 3y ago
Seems like a prototypical diversity problem: the bros at github that designed the challenge couldn't find anyone in the room to whom the challenge wasn't obvious, easy and brilliant. :-)
- jwestbury 3y ago
  This is exactly the sort of problem increased workplace diversity helps to solve, and it's a great argument for an expansive definition of diversity, which includes traditional measures such as race and gender, but also non-traditional measures, such as socioeconomic background, education, etc. (To wit: The best engineering team I've ever worked on was three computer science grads, two boot-camp grads with backgrounds in chemistry and sports medicine, respectively, and myself, with a degree in English lit but extensive industry experience. We all brought different things to the table, and we produced robust, maintainable services.)
  - milesvp 3y ago
    This anecdote doesn’t surprise me, there was a study done some years ago that looked at paper citations and there was a strong correlation with diversity of the team and citations. What I remember of the excerpt was that they didn’t just look at common things like gender and skin tone, but also tried to take into account class and economic diversity as well. I didn’t scrutinize the paper as much as I probably should have, but it definitely fit with my personal experience that diverse teams tend to be better. (yay confirmation bias!)
chewmieser 3y ago
I encountered this same problem in Rockstar's launcher. Lead me to refund RDR2 when I bought it last. They're quite user-hostile.
misnome 3y ago
> How can anyone think that this is a good idea? I've always assumed that captchas like this are only used when they have already "Decided" never to let you in, so just feed you a constant stream of captchas to burn your time, and make you think that it's your fault
- yowzadave 3y ago
  Bingo--I sometimes have this experience if I visit a site with my VPN turned on.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > I've always assumed that captchas like this are only used when they have already "Decided" never to let you in, so just feed you a constant stream of captchas to burn your time, and make you think that it's your fault I think Google & Yandex have the cruelty of gaslighting down to an science. It's one captcha after another, no matter if you solve it. Never-being-satisfied behavior is super familiar to anyone who's lived with an abusive narcissist.
  - compsciphd 3y ago
    eventually they let you in. i think its somewhat ip reputation based (with reputation being how many captches have been solved from that ip). i.e. I've temporarily "burnt" my local IP by doing too many captches in a short period of time so that it wont allow me in easily (i.e. captcha after captchas, probably spend a minute or 2 doing all of them before I get through). However, after some period of time, it resets and allows me in more easily
    - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
      > eventually they let you in. Often they don't. I've run Google out past 20 attempts and not gotten in. More common are 10x-15x rounds that dump me back to the Sorry page.
      - compsciphd 3y ago
yankput 3y ago
5 seconds? lol, it takes me 5 seconds to just count one of the sums
- gruez 3y ago
  I think OP was being hyperbolic. I've gotten similar captchas before and while there's a timeout eventually (eg. if you stepped away for a coffee), there's more than enough time allotted to count each of the options.
miki123211 3y ago
What's the accessibility-focused alternative? Those tend to be easier sometimes.

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adhvaryu 3y ago

That doesn't seem that difficult, why would you need 3 people for it? Although, having to do it >5 times is a bit much.

becks_benny 3y ago
Adding 4 digits is not difficult, but doing this fast enough to be accepted by the captcha system is really hard. I was not kidding when I said that if you need more then 5 seconds per round, you failed and must start again.
- jwestbury 3y ago
  Five seconds is pretty crazy. It's not just an arithmetic problem, it's a visual recognition problem. There are plenty of ways this can go wrong, for plenty of disability reasons, many of which aren't even obvious to the person trying to solve them.
- 8organicbits 3y ago
  Is there a computer-based solver that can solve these, but always takes longer than five seconds?
  - viraptor 3y ago
    Nah, this seems like a really basic CV problem that should be solvable in milliseconds. The hardest part would be rejecting the sides that don't face up, but even that isn't a huge deal.
misnome 3y ago
> That doesn't seem that difficult, why would you need 3 people for it? To know which one to click on, you have to add up all of the dice, in all of the six pictures, including upside-down/deliberately confusing numerics mixed amongst the dice. You can do that in five seconds, for 5/10/15 rounds, without a single mistake?

pipo234 3y ago

Seems like a prototypical diversity problem: the bros at github that designed the challenge couldn't find anyone in the room to whom the challenge wasn't obvious, easy and brilliant. :-)

jwestbury 3y ago
This is exactly the sort of problem increased workplace diversity helps to solve, and it's a great argument for an expansive definition of diversity, which includes traditional measures such as race and gender, but also non-traditional measures, such as socioeconomic background, education, etc. (To wit: The best engineering team I've ever worked on was three computer science grads, two boot-camp grads with backgrounds in chemistry and sports medicine, respectively, and myself, with a degree in English lit but extensive industry experience. We all brought different things to the table, and we produced robust, maintainable services.)
- milesvp 3y ago
  This anecdote doesn’t surprise me, there was a study done some years ago that looked at paper citations and there was a strong correlation with diversity of the team and citations. What I remember of the excerpt was that they didn’t just look at common things like gender and skin tone, but also tried to take into account class and economic diversity as well. I didn’t scrutinize the paper as much as I probably should have, but it definitely fit with my personal experience that diverse teams tend to be better. (yay confirmation bias!)

chewmieser 3y ago

I encountered this same problem in Rockstar's launcher. Lead me to refund RDR2 when I bought it last. They're quite user-hostile.

misnome 3y ago

> How can anyone think that this is a good idea? I've always assumed that captchas like this are only used when they have already "Decided" never to let you in, so just feed you a constant stream of captchas to burn your time, and make you think that it's your fault

yowzadave 3y ago
Bingo--I sometimes have this experience if I visit a site with my VPN turned on.
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> I've always assumed that captchas like this are only used when they have already "Decided" never to let you in, so just feed you a constant stream of captchas to burn your time, and make you think that it's your fault I think Google & Yandex have the cruelty of gaslighting down to an science. It's one captcha after another, no matter if you solve it. Never-being-satisfied behavior is super familiar to anyone who's lived with an abusive narcissist.
- compsciphd 3y ago
  eventually they let you in. i think its somewhat ip reputation based (with reputation being how many captches have been solved from that ip). i.e. I've temporarily "burnt" my local IP by doing too many captches in a short period of time so that it wont allow me in easily (i.e. captcha after captchas, probably spend a minute or 2 doing all of them before I get through). However, after some period of time, it resets and allows me in more easily
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    > eventually they let you in. Often they don't. I've run Google out past 20 attempts and not gotten in. More common are 10x-15x rounds that dump me back to the Sorry page.
    - compsciphd 3y ago

yankput 3y ago

5 seconds? lol, it takes me 5 seconds to just count one of the sums

gruez 3y ago
I think OP was being hyperbolic. I've gotten similar captchas before and while there's a timeout eventually (eg. if you stepped away for a coffee), there's more than enough time allotted to count each of the options.

miki123211 3y ago

What's the accessibility-focused alternative? Those tend to be easier sometimes.