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> After getting fed up with ProtonMail recently I went on a quest to find an alternative. Unfortunately Skiff doesn't have SMTP or even an export feature so onc

> After getting fed up with ProtonMail recently I went on a quest to find an alternative. Unfortunately Skiff doesn't have SMTP or even an export feature so once you go Skiff you can't go back, you're locked in. wow, an e-mail service without smtp nor imap?? no thanks

amilich 3y ago
We do have export to EML and ZIP files. SMTP/IMAP are not trivial due to end-to-end encryption.
jacooper 3y ago
You can't have SMTP if it's fully end-to-end encrypted. That's why proton has a bridge, it decrypts messages locally, then runs an SMTP server for your local clients.
- prophesi 3y ago
  You can if the service doesn't handle encryption with a proprietary protocol and instead helps you set up PGP. It certainly has its issues and limitations, but after trying ProtonMail/Tutanota/what-have-you, I have _never_ actually used their E2E encryption except when contacting support for that mail service. Meanwhile with PGP I can post up my public key on my personal sites / resume / social accounts, and people actually have reached out. I also like that you don't even need to include your email address to prevent scrapers from harvesting it. If it's on one of the public keyservers, their client will find the email address for the respective public key.
  - intc 3y ago
    One can use standard IMAPS/SMTPS/PGP compliant native email app with C1.FI. I'm still contemplating about the E2E webmail app - No matter which way one looks it - It's a shaky concept... BTW. Does anyone know what is the current state of WASM Constant Time proposal?
- c7DJTLrn 3y ago
  Well, ProtonMail isn't end-to-end encrypted anyway, even with Bridge. Unless you use PGP encryption. Emails are encrypted in-flight with TLS, but ProtonMail terminate that TLS connection.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    I'm talking about zero knowledge encrypted email storage. Proton mail doesn't have access to your messages, and SMTP doesn't support that type of encryption.

amilich 3y ago

We do have export to EML and ZIP files. SMTP/IMAP are not trivial due to end-to-end encryption.

jacooper 3y ago

You can't have SMTP if it's fully end-to-end encrypted. That's why proton has a bridge, it decrypts messages locally, then runs an SMTP server for your local clients.

prophesi 3y ago
You can if the service doesn't handle encryption with a proprietary protocol and instead helps you set up PGP. It certainly has its issues and limitations, but after trying ProtonMail/Tutanota/what-have-you, I have _never_ actually used their E2E encryption except when contacting support for that mail service. Meanwhile with PGP I can post up my public key on my personal sites / resume / social accounts, and people actually have reached out. I also like that you don't even need to include your email address to prevent scrapers from harvesting it. If it's on one of the public keyservers, their client will find the email address for the respective public key.
- intc 3y ago
  One can use standard IMAPS/SMTPS/PGP compliant native email app with C1.FI. I'm still contemplating about the E2E webmail app - No matter which way one looks it - It's a shaky concept... BTW. Does anyone know what is the current state of WASM Constant Time proposal?
c7DJTLrn 3y ago
Well, ProtonMail isn't end-to-end encrypted anyway, even with Bridge. Unless you use PGP encryption. Emails are encrypted in-flight with TLS, but ProtonMail terminate that TLS connection.
- jacooper 3y ago
  I'm talking about zero knowledge encrypted email storage. Proton mail doesn't have access to your messages, and SMTP doesn't support that type of encryption.