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Apple also advertises their watches as water resistant and shows ads with people swimming. But as soon as you get some water ingress, you are SOL since it is n

Apple also advertises their watches as water resistant and shows ads with people swimming. But as soon as you get some water ingress, you are SOL since it is not guaranteed.

predmijat 3y ago
And one of my favorite commercials ruins everything with small print at the end: "liquid damage not covered by warranty". This shouldn't be legal :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYCnHebwTCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYCnHebwTCM
stephen_g 3y ago
Since the Series 2 they have a water-resistance rating of 50 metres under ISO standard 22810:2010. So despite how it affects the warranty it is definitely designed to withstand swimming. And it does work, I would have over 150 recorded swimming workouts (45 minutes to an hour each) on my Apple Watch SE.
- delfinom 3y ago
  The problem is, the design is tested to the ISO immersion standard, but the product is not. What do I mean? In hardware manufacturing lines, if you guarantee water immersion, you actually do that test as part of manufacturing, either using real water or something known as "dryleak" where you gauge air displacement in a fitted and known volume fixture. Apple and most phone manufacturers aren't going bother with that test since it's extra labor and time, so they instead live with never warranting it. It doesn't take much to have a water ingress issue. Even a tiny tiny defect in the adhesive gasket gluing the phone together can lead to ingress.
  - N_A_T_E 3y ago
    Sure, but isn't that mostly a theoretical issue or only problematic if the device is used at the limit of it's specification? I haven't heard any stories of water damaged iPhones recently. I've had my iPhone XS and 12 underwater without any problems. My apple watch has been in the shower hundreds of times.
- o1y32 3y ago
  Unless this is written in the warranty, your experience is no more useful than an anecdote -- "design to" only goes as far as the watch is still working, otherwise it is $249 down the drain.
  - Angostura 3y ago
    OK, lets get some data. How many Apple Watches are killed by water ingres?
    - zikduruqe 3y ago
      Here's a start. https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/search/?q=water%20damage&restrict_sr=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/search/?q=water%20damage...
- chrisdhal 3y ago
  Go to any watch forum and post something about wearing your watch that's rated for 100m to wash your hands and watch the flames come in. They'll argue (maybe rightfully so) that a water resistance rating is not the same as the pressures of swimming. Just dunking something does not do anything such as swimming strokes that could force water into the watch. I find it a little absurd that people won't wash dishes with a 100m resistant watch, but then again, I'm not sporting a 5 figure watch either.
  - max51 3y ago
    a 100m water column is around 150 psi. That number is 3 times the typical city tap water, it's a lot of pressure.
l33t7332273 3y ago
The Ultra is literally advertised as a dive watch, so I think your information might be a little bit out of date.
- zikduruqe 3y ago
  You think that. Get some water in your Ultra, Apple will tell you tough luck. Many threads with complaints that people are using their Apple Watches as intended and as marketed, but once there is a bit of water ingress, Apple will not cover the damage (outside of normal warranty period).
- ChrisRR 3y ago
  Even then they advertise it as water resistant up to 100m *but we don't recommend you use it beyond 40m and may degrade over time.
  - gruturo 3y ago
    > *but we don't recommend you use it beyond 40m and may degrade over time. Worse than that. It was tested and as soon as you pass 40m, it gives a warning, stops displaying the depth and just tells you ASCEND. Once you are above 40m it functions again but the No Decompression Limit is no longer reliable, as it doesn't track the actual depth you were at, while >40m.
    - ponyboy123 3y ago
      That’s entirely reasonable, 40 meters is the limit of recreational diving. Anyone going deeper would be doing tech diving and would need to be using a proper dive computer.
- o1y32 3y ago
  Is there a different warranty for the Ultra that gives you money back if the watch is dead because of water damage? (As far as I know, no.) If not, what's the point of your comment?
  - 3y ago

Apple also advertises their watches as water resistant and shows ads with people swimming. But as soon as you get some water ingress, you are SOL since it is not guaranteed.

predmijat 3y ago

And one of my favorite commercials ruins everything with small print at the end: "liquid damage not covered by warranty". This shouldn't be legal :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYCnHebwTCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYCnHebwTCM

stephen_g 3y ago

Since the Series 2 they have a water-resistance rating of 50 metres under ISO standard 22810:2010. So despite how it affects the warranty it is definitely designed to withstand swimming. And it does work, I would have over 150 recorded swimming workouts (45 minutes to an hour each) on my Apple Watch SE.

delfinom 3y ago
The problem is, the design is tested to the ISO immersion standard, but the product is not. What do I mean? In hardware manufacturing lines, if you guarantee water immersion, you actually do that test as part of manufacturing, either using real water or something known as "dryleak" where you gauge air displacement in a fitted and known volume fixture. Apple and most phone manufacturers aren't going bother with that test since it's extra labor and time, so they instead live with never warranting it. It doesn't take much to have a water ingress issue. Even a tiny tiny defect in the adhesive gasket gluing the phone together can lead to ingress.
- N_A_T_E 3y ago
  Sure, but isn't that mostly a theoretical issue or only problematic if the device is used at the limit of it's specification? I haven't heard any stories of water damaged iPhones recently. I've had my iPhone XS and 12 underwater without any problems. My apple watch has been in the shower hundreds of times.
o1y32 3y ago
Unless this is written in the warranty, your experience is no more useful than an anecdote -- "design to" only goes as far as the watch is still working, otherwise it is $249 down the drain.
- Angostura 3y ago
  OK, lets get some data. How many Apple Watches are killed by water ingres?
  - zikduruqe 3y ago
    Here's a start. https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/search/?q=water%20damage&restrict_sr=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/search/?q=water%20damage...
chrisdhal 3y ago
Go to any watch forum and post something about wearing your watch that's rated for 100m to wash your hands and watch the flames come in. They'll argue (maybe rightfully so) that a water resistance rating is not the same as the pressures of swimming. Just dunking something does not do anything such as swimming strokes that could force water into the watch. I find it a little absurd that people won't wash dishes with a 100m resistant watch, but then again, I'm not sporting a 5 figure watch either.
- max51 3y ago
  a 100m water column is around 150 psi. That number is 3 times the typical city tap water, it's a lot of pressure.

l33t7332273 3y ago

The Ultra is literally advertised as a dive watch, so I think your information might be a little bit out of date.

zikduruqe 3y ago
You think that. Get some water in your Ultra, Apple will tell you tough luck. Many threads with complaints that people are using their Apple Watches as intended and as marketed, but once there is a bit of water ingress, Apple will not cover the damage (outside of normal warranty period).
ChrisRR 3y ago
Even then they advertise it as water resistant up to 100m *but we don't recommend you use it beyond 40m and may degrade over time.
- gruturo 3y ago
  > *but we don't recommend you use it beyond 40m and may degrade over time. Worse than that. It was tested and as soon as you pass 40m, it gives a warning, stops displaying the depth and just tells you ASCEND. Once you are above 40m it functions again but the No Decompression Limit is no longer reliable, as it doesn't track the actual depth you were at, while >40m.
  - ponyboy123 3y ago
    That’s entirely reasonable, 40 meters is the limit of recreational diving. Anyone going deeper would be doing tech diving and would need to be using a proper dive computer.
o1y32 3y ago
Is there a different warranty for the Ultra that gives you money back if the watch is dead because of water damage? (As far as I know, no.) If not, what's the point of your comment?
- 3y ago