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Long after you've migrated from your current favorite IDE twice over, we'll still be using emacs. Long after whatever company sponsoring development of your cu
by weikju 3y ago
Long after you've migrated from your current favorite IDE twice over, we'll still be using emacs.
Long after whatever company sponsoring development of your current favorite IDE enshitifies them twice over, we'll still be using emacs.
Long after you relearn your IDE workflows twice over, we'll still be using emacs.
And emacs keeps evolving and can handle modern development just fine (except for the most garden-walled ones, and even then...), while not breaking our brains all the time with so many changes and migrations and trend changes.
We want to keep using our tools and get work done, not keep up with the Joneses.
- raincole 3y agoI started using JetBrains IDEA 12 years ago and I'm still using it today. My confidence of it being available 12 years later is high. Yes, if you're talking about a timeframe of ~50 years, use vim and emacs. I just don't care that level of future proof.
- weikju 3y agoAnd you can expect during the next 12 years people will be asking why you use such an ancient piece of software, then you'll understand emacs users (if you don't already) :)
- goku12 3y ago> Yes, if you're talking about a timeframe of ~50 years, use vim and emacs. There isn't any compromises that make vim or emacs less useful than those tools with much less longevity. They are just as good as an editor to even those who don't care if they will be around 50 years from now.
- raincole 3y agoI used vim (and still using it for non-coding text editing today) but I just don't feel it's so powerful that it's comparable to IDEA. Of course it's probably because I haven't properly taken time to learn and configure it. I only know how to move cursor around, search/replace and enable syntax highlighting. But that's the point: I don't want to take a significant amount of time to learn and configure an editor. I want a IDE that works well almost out of box. Maybe my opinion will change if one day I decide to try a more batteries-included vim/emacs like Doom.
- goku12 3y agoI wouldn't have a counter to this normally. I prefer to heavily customize my editor without the support of a starter pack. But yes, starter packs like Doom Emacs and LunarVim do a great favor to these editors by enhancing their adoptibility for new users.
- zelphirkalt 3y agoI once saw a guy coding Idris in his VIM, having VIM complete everything one could imagine and more. That thing completed whole functions based on signatures and types. And that was all years before the copilot and whatever came up. From then on I believed it, when someone said they could have IDE features in VIM.
- steve1977 3y agoThere is Jetbrains Fleet already, so we’ll see about that.
- llm_thr 3y agoI remember when people told me on this very site that atom is the future and emacs should just close up shop. Wellllllllll....