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> Neither “high-power” nor “motorcycle” are words I would use to characterize the vehicle in that advertisement. Words I would use are 'manipulating gig worker

> Neither “high-power” nor “motorcycle” are words I would use to characterize the vehicle in that advertisement. Words I would use are 'manipulating gig workers nto thinking they can/should/must own a phone that far exceeds the value of their scooter.' I have a Mac (computer) that I used for work stuff but I will never get the cult-like fantacism that drives the mobile phone sales side, even this ad screams of RATM No Shelter: The poor adore keep fiendin' for more The thin line between entertainment and war Fix the need, develop the taste Buy their products or get laid to waste I had an older iiphone (sub 9) and the reason I got it was because the app I used it for pretty much abandoned Android support entirely, nothing on the Android version worked and was not being updated despite a significant outcry for support. It then died when I took it to EU (where they have almost no penetration) and used a phone charger and lost like $60 worth of Bitcoin on that phone. I'm glad I'm a millennial that never got sucked into these stupid things, unlike most of my generation: I almost always have a laptop on me that can do everything a mobile phone can do with a much better UX and security/privacy, With that said, I drove with my older S. Korean made LG Android on my motorcycles all the time and never had an issue, so... blame Foxconn made QA?

vladvasiliu 3y ago
Did that phone have OIS? That's what seems to break with the iphones. Anecdotally, my iphone 7 has ridden countless miles on motorbike handlebars with no issue. Motorbike GPS, and more broadly mapping, is one of the main uses I get from my phone that my laptop can't provide. Also music, when out and about. Other than that, my phone sees little to no action. During COVID lockdowns, it would gather visible dust from lack of use. That's why I like looking out for deals on refurbished iphones, so I can keep them for a long time, while also getting updates.
Ensorceled 3y ago
Poor people, like gig economy workers, buy smart phones because it IS their computer. The reason you see people in low paying jobs with big expensive smart phones: it’s their computer, game console, tv, radio, camera, photo album, etc. etc. That was one of the surprising marketing lessons for the early iPhones and is a well known social phenomenon. I love when people who don’t know any poor people go on these rants.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  This is exclusively American "poor" people. Everyone I've known who struggles to pay bills could NEVER afford an iPhone, and wouldn't be able to get it on a payment plan either, because verizon stopped offering them contracts a decade ago, or they are stuck buying a $100 "smart talk" smartphone that is a stupidly old and underpowered machine that they then suffer through until it inevitably falls apart under normal use and they tape it back together so they don't have to buy another one for a little longer. "Poor" people don't ever have the $800 needed to buy an iPhone at one time, like ever. This makes a lot more sense when you look at less rich countries and see how much less popular iPhones are. It's only in America where people who aren't in poverty but rather deep into the lower class that will make sacrifices so they can buy an iPhone, or worse, pay $1600 over a two year payment plan and then UPGRADE after the plan is through. Americans are so terrified of being SEEN as poor, because they know how they vote for poor people to be treated.
  - Melting_Harps 3y ago
    > This makes a lot more sense when you look at less rich countries and see how much less popular iPhones are. It's only in America where people who aren't in poverty but rather deep into the lower class that will make sacrifices so they can buy an iPhone, or worse, pay $1600 over a two year payment plan and then UPGRADE after the plan is through. Americans are so terrified of being SEEN as poor, because they know how they vote for poor people to be treated. Well said, and hence why I quoted Rage Against the Machine who later go on to say on a track for Sony's Godzilla movie no less: Godzilla pure motherfucking filla' Get your eyes on the real killa' Despite being from the US, I will never understand this 'culture' and it seems so vapid and fake until you realize that is exactly what most people want out of their relationships as a whole: something so trite and cliche that fits in within the confines of a narrow attention span and is equally digestble on social media that signals to other like minded people in kind. The people who I see using phones as a status symbol are often the least economically stable I know: think children/teenagers or those older who simply have no other assets or investments to speak of.
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    I’m talking about Smartphones in general. The iPhone example was when we learned that there was a surprise uptake amongst lower income demographics because of the computer or phone affordability dilemma. This hold true for lower cost smartphones, even more so now.

vladvasiliu 3y ago

Did that phone have OIS? That's what seems to break with the iphones. Anecdotally, my iphone 7 has ridden countless miles on motorbike handlebars with no issue. Motorbike GPS, and more broadly mapping, is one of the main uses I get from my phone that my laptop can't provide. Also music, when out and about. Other than that, my phone sees little to no action. During COVID lockdowns, it would gather visible dust from lack of use. That's why I like looking out for deals on refurbished iphones, so I can keep them for a long time, while also getting updates.

Ensorceled 3y ago

Poor people, like gig economy workers, buy smart phones because it IS their computer. The reason you see people in low paying jobs with big expensive smart phones: it’s their computer, game console, tv, radio, camera, photo album, etc. etc. That was one of the surprising marketing lessons for the early iPhones and is a well known social phenomenon. I love when people who don’t know any poor people go on these rants.

mrguyorama 3y ago
This is exclusively American "poor" people. Everyone I've known who struggles to pay bills could NEVER afford an iPhone, and wouldn't be able to get it on a payment plan either, because verizon stopped offering them contracts a decade ago, or they are stuck buying a $100 "smart talk" smartphone that is a stupidly old and underpowered machine that they then suffer through until it inevitably falls apart under normal use and they tape it back together so they don't have to buy another one for a little longer. "Poor" people don't ever have the $800 needed to buy an iPhone at one time, like ever. This makes a lot more sense when you look at less rich countries and see how much less popular iPhones are. It's only in America where people who aren't in poverty but rather deep into the lower class that will make sacrifices so they can buy an iPhone, or worse, pay $1600 over a two year payment plan and then UPGRADE after the plan is through. Americans are so terrified of being SEEN as poor, because they know how they vote for poor people to be treated.
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > This makes a lot more sense when you look at less rich countries and see how much less popular iPhones are. It's only in America where people who aren't in poverty but rather deep into the lower class that will make sacrifices so they can buy an iPhone, or worse, pay $1600 over a two year payment plan and then UPGRADE after the plan is through. Americans are so terrified of being SEEN as poor, because they know how they vote for poor people to be treated. Well said, and hence why I quoted Rage Against the Machine who later go on to say on a track for Sony's Godzilla movie no less: Godzilla pure motherfucking filla' Get your eyes on the real killa' Despite being from the US, I will never understand this 'culture' and it seems so vapid and fake until you realize that is exactly what most people want out of their relationships as a whole: something so trite and cliche that fits in within the confines of a narrow attention span and is equally digestble on social media that signals to other like minded people in kind. The people who I see using phones as a status symbol are often the least economically stable I know: think children/teenagers or those older who simply have no other assets or investments to speak of.
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  I’m talking about Smartphones in general. The iPhone example was when we learned that there was a surprise uptake amongst lower income demographics because of the computer or phone affordability dilemma. This hold true for lower cost smartphones, even more so now.