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> Ironically, only living through this fear is what causes the bad trip in the first place Where is the evidence for this? None. > the fear of "never coming b

> Ironically, only living through this fear is what causes the bad trip in the first place Where is the evidence for this? None. > the fear of "never coming back" Psychedelics sound like fun, but I have seen quite a few broken people on the streets, all because of them. It's not just fear, it is a serious concern.

munificent 3y ago
I see a lot of broken people on the streets here in Seattle, but as far as I know, most of them are because of meth or opioids, not psychedelics.
mistermann 3y ago
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- jules22 3y ago
  I just read science, not the unsubstantiated metaphysical claims of meditation traditions. Playing the fantasy of an "omniscient oracle" often seems to be the ego trip of popular meditation gurus today. They are all quite scientifically illiterate.
  - mistermann 3y ago
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    - jules22 3y ago
      "You humans"? Have you been meditating so hard that you are now hallucinating yourself as beyond human? I can't say I am surprised. I studied cognitive science. I know cognitive biases. I also know how meditators around me are basically drowning in them with ridiculous psychic beliefs, laughable arguments and no evidence. I'll leave you to your imagined irony.
      - mistermann 3y ago
        Yet another Perfectly Rational (yet omniscient) Human, the internet is crawling with them! Funny how they all deal primarily if not solely in rhetoric. Coincidence I guess!
uoaei 3y ago
I've witnessed quite a few bad trips and the failure mode corresponds well to my mental model of "ego struggles against ego death so hard the person is driven to psychosis". Broken people on the streets are most often people with prior serious mental issues who were pushed over an edge. Typically by intense trauma (living on the street really fucking sucks for lots of reasons) but also to a lesser extent this can be drug-induced. However the drug class that usually performs this role is amphetamines ("meth psychosis"), not tryptamines or phenathylamines. But you're clearly not willing to listen, so what use is there actually engaging here?

munificent 3y ago

I see a lot of broken people on the streets here in Seattle, but as far as I know, most of them are because of meth or opioids, not psychedelics.

mistermann 3y ago

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jules22 3y ago
I just read science, not the unsubstantiated metaphysical claims of meditation traditions. Playing the fantasy of an "omniscient oracle" often seems to be the ego trip of popular meditation gurus today. They are all quite scientifically illiterate.
- mistermann 3y ago
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  - jules22 3y ago
    "You humans"? Have you been meditating so hard that you are now hallucinating yourself as beyond human? I can't say I am surprised. I studied cognitive science. I know cognitive biases. I also know how meditators around me are basically drowning in them with ridiculous psychic beliefs, laughable arguments and no evidence. I'll leave you to your imagined irony.
    - mistermann 3y ago
      Yet another Perfectly Rational (yet omniscient) Human, the internet is crawling with them! Funny how they all deal primarily if not solely in rhetoric. Coincidence I guess!

uoaei 3y ago

I've witnessed quite a few bad trips and the failure mode corresponds well to my mental model of "ego struggles against ego death so hard the person is driven to psychosis". Broken people on the streets are most often people with prior serious mental issues who were pushed over an edge. Typically by intense trauma (living on the street really fucking sucks for lots of reasons) but also to a lesser extent this can be drug-induced. However the drug class that usually performs this role is amphetamines ("meth psychosis"), not tryptamines or phenathylamines. But you're clearly not willing to listen, so what use is there actually engaging here?