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This might not be good for RISC-V in the future. If it becomes associated with Chinese computing, then it might face more sanctions and roadblocks in the US an

This might not be good for RISC-V in the future. If it becomes associated with Chinese computing, then it might face more sanctions and roadblocks in the US and Europe.

hakfoo 3y ago
Maybe it will force missile-gap thinking to get Western firms to compete directly. I could see Western governments dangling big contracts or research grants to firms like ST and Microchip, just to make sure they have a RISC-V product line that crowds THead or WCH parts out of the market.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
  I think it will instead cause them to force companies to drop RISC-V development. After all, an instruction set’s fabrication, tooling, software are far more valuable than any theoretical advantage of the instruction set itself. (For example, see how long x86 has been going). The goal would be to leave China with an architecture that nobody else uses.
  - gary_0 3y ago
    It's far too late for that. Over 10 billion RISC-V chips are already in use in GPUs, hard drives, automobiles, and so on. Uncountable person-hours have been put into adding RISC-V support to Linux, Android, Chromium, GCC, and thousands of other libraries and software packages. Google, Qualcomm, Intel, IBM, Samsung, and nVidia are among[0] the RISC-V organization's many members, who have already collectively invested billions of dollars in the technology. At this point, telling the tech industry to stop using RISC-V would be like telling them to stop using Linux. [0] https://riscv.org/members/ https://riscv.org/members/
photonbeam 3y ago
The cat is out out the ISA bag. They'll just sanction the products containing chips from particular fabs instead. They currently sanction on all sorts of arbitrary lines, for example memory bandwidth
panick21_ 3y ago
RISC-V is open and far to big already to be associated with any one country. India, Europe and the US have major investments both private and government.
naruhodo 3y ago
NASA is taking RISC-V into space. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/nasa-has-chosen-these-cpus-to-power-its-next-generation-of-spaceflight-computers/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/nasa-has-chosen-these-cpus-to-...
- snvzz 3y ago
  ESA too.

This might not be good for RISC-V in the future. If it becomes associated with Chinese computing, then it might face more sanctions and roadblocks in the US and Europe.

hakfoo 3y ago

Maybe it will force missile-gap thinking to get Western firms to compete directly. I could see Western governments dangling big contracts or research grants to firms like ST and Microchip, just to make sure they have a RISC-V product line that crowds THead or WCH parts out of the market.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
I think it will instead cause them to force companies to drop RISC-V development. After all, an instruction set’s fabrication, tooling, software are far more valuable than any theoretical advantage of the instruction set itself. (For example, see how long x86 has been going). The goal would be to leave China with an architecture that nobody else uses.
- gary_0 3y ago
  It's far too late for that. Over 10 billion RISC-V chips are already in use in GPUs, hard drives, automobiles, and so on. Uncountable person-hours have been put into adding RISC-V support to Linux, Android, Chromium, GCC, and thousands of other libraries and software packages. Google, Qualcomm, Intel, IBM, Samsung, and nVidia are among[0] the RISC-V organization's many members, who have already collectively invested billions of dollars in the technology. At this point, telling the tech industry to stop using RISC-V would be like telling them to stop using Linux. [0] https://riscv.org/members/ https://riscv.org/members/

photonbeam 3y ago

The cat is out out the ISA bag. They'll just sanction the products containing chips from particular fabs instead. They currently sanction on all sorts of arbitrary lines, for example memory bandwidth

panick21_ 3y ago

RISC-V is open and far to big already to be associated with any one country. India, Europe and the US have major investments both private and government.

naruhodo 3y ago

NASA is taking RISC-V into space. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/nasa-has-chosen-these-cpus-to-power-its-next-generation-of-spaceflight-computers/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/nasa-has-chosen-these-cpus-to-...

snvzz 3y ago
ESA too.