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Yet (and I'm sorry to generalise); Gen-Z "typically finds thumbs up emoji passive aggressive" https://nypost.com/2022/10/26/gen-z-has-hidden-meanings-for-emoji

by dijit 3y ago

Yet (and I'm sorry to generalise); Gen-Z "typically finds thumbs up emoji passive aggressive" https://nypost.com/2022/10/26/gen-z-has-hidden-meanings-for-emojis-beyond-rude-thumbs-up/ https://nypost.com/2022/10/26/gen-z-has-hidden-meanings-for-...

e40 3y ago
First, NY Post? F them and the horse they rode in on. They stoke culture wars at every turn. Second, even if it was true (which I doubt), there are some things which should be ignored and someone believing this nonsense should not be coddled. I'm very liberal, but this is just pure nonsense.
- tayo42 3y ago
  Idk that's how I interpret the thumbs up after I say something. In my mind it's comes off like a dismissive "that's cool". Like what ever I said isn't worthy of a text response. Idk it's a little odd to explain I guess
  - jameshart 3y ago
    I think it means something very different in a work slack thread than a text chat with friends. In a work context, it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to want to briefly communicate ‘go ahead you have my approval’ and not mean anything snarky by it. Yet if I’m messaging with my friends and they ask about going for drinks Saturday, and I say ‘go ahead, you have my approval’, that’s going to come off as pretty passive aggressive too.
- smegsicle 3y ago
  :thumbsup:
- msrenee 3y ago
  It's used like that on Facebook a lot. You're welcome to your opinion on correct use and interpretation of emojis, but that doesn't stop others from using them the way they feel is appropriate.
JohnFen 3y ago
I've found that different subcultures can apply very different connotations to emojis (as well as other communications things). I think it's a fool's errand to try to find a usage that carries the same subtext for all subcultures. This is largely a "know your audience" sort of thing. My approach is to just write like I normally do when I don't know the peculiarities of the specific people I'm talking with. In general, they will know you aren't "on the inside" and will understand that you don't know what the various connotations are. Even if they'll mock you for it later amongst themselves.
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overgard 3y ago
I think I'd rather be perceived old than follow Gen Z's weird rules, if that article is to be believed. I will keep my slight smiley thank you very much
skeaker 3y ago
This is context sensitive. As in spoken conversation, if your buddy comes up and shares a cool story with you, silently responding with a thumbs up would be rude. If you're coordinating with a team, a thumbs up is a respectful and commonly understood gesture to indicate that you approve/understand.
- oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
  Very much so - you need to be careful using things like 'facepunch' (which is a very weird name for the fistbump emoji) or the pray/thanks/hi-five emoji.
plorkyeran 3y ago
Young people trolling journalists who ask them stupid questions is a long-standing tradition that Gen Z has not abandoned.
deathanatos 3y ago
AFAICT, the entire "Gen Z finds thumbs up passive aggressive" is fake news; it got started somewhere, and then copy/pasted across news sites with nobody doing an ounce of journalistic fact checking. E.g., this chain [1] → [2] → [3] chains back to the Reddit post ([3]) which has a grand total of … 26 upvotes (on the day the Today article is written)? … and AFAICT, the reddit post is what kicks off the news copypastafest. That's not a reliable source to then label an entire generation. "Journalists" getting their "facts" from r/Adulting … sigh. (Note that your NYPost article falls, chronologically, between [1] and [2], and note the dates on them all. There's a few other citations in the Today post … like an employee at Today, tweets, (it must have been a rather slow week) … and a (different) NYPost article whose citation is … the same Reddit post! The closet we get is then a jump to a Yahoo article which claims an unsourced survey for its data.) (AFAICT talking to people, everyone I've seen who thinks this is a thing appears to think such because they've encountered these news posts / reposts of this, not because they genuinely hold the belief themselves. Self-fulfilling prophecy, at this point. Though now that I've invoked a weird form of Cunningham's Law, I'm sure someone will tell me they're the one, and that there are dozens of them out there. Tell me why you can't just read :+1: in an "assume best intent" light and treat it as the literal "ack/agree/yes" that it's probably meant as, and what, you want me to spam everyone with reply notifications instead of just a reaction…?) (There is also an episode of Dr. Phil out there that goes into how a bunch of emoji are supposedly poisoned one way or another, again with nary a citation to most of it, or they're saying "X emoji is ruined" where, no, it's only ruined if you use it in a particular context where the meaning of the emoji isn't the original meaning, but rather the context puns it to something else. Cf. the eggplant emoji.) [1]: https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/10/28/gen-z-thumbs-up-emoji-passive-aggressive-red-heart-laugh-cry-canceled/ https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/10/28/gen-z-thumbs-up-... [2]: https://www.today.com/news/news/thumbs-up-emoji-debate-rcna52089 https://www.today.com/news/news/thumbs-up-emoji-debate-rcna5... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221013050626/https://www.reddit.com/r/Adulting/comments/rhie1e/am_i_not_adult_enough_to_be_comfortable_with_the/ https://web.archive.org/web/20221013050626/https://www.reddi...

by dijit 3y ago

e40 3y ago

First, NY Post? F them and the horse they rode in on. They stoke culture wars at every turn. Second, even if it was true (which I doubt), there are some things which should be ignored and someone believing this nonsense should not be coddled. I'm very liberal, but this is just pure nonsense.

tayo42 3y ago
Idk that's how I interpret the thumbs up after I say something. In my mind it's comes off like a dismissive "that's cool". Like what ever I said isn't worthy of a text response. Idk it's a little odd to explain I guess
- jameshart 3y ago
  I think it means something very different in a work slack thread than a text chat with friends. In a work context, it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to want to briefly communicate ‘go ahead you have my approval’ and not mean anything snarky by it. Yet if I’m messaging with my friends and they ask about going for drinks Saturday, and I say ‘go ahead, you have my approval’, that’s going to come off as pretty passive aggressive too.
smegsicle 3y ago
:thumbsup:
msrenee 3y ago
It's used like that on Facebook a lot. You're welcome to your opinion on correct use and interpretation of emojis, but that doesn't stop others from using them the way they feel is appropriate.

JohnFen 3y ago

I've found that different subcultures can apply very different connotations to emojis (as well as other communications things). I think it's a fool's errand to try to find a usage that carries the same subtext for all subcultures. This is largely a "know your audience" sort of thing. My approach is to just write like I normally do when I don't know the peculiarities of the specific people I'm talking with. In general, they will know you aren't "on the inside" and will understand that you don't know what the various connotations are. Even if they'll mock you for it later amongst themselves.

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overgard 3y ago

I think I'd rather be perceived old than follow Gen Z's weird rules, if that article is to be believed. I will keep my slight smiley thank you very much

skeaker 3y ago

This is context sensitive. As in spoken conversation, if your buddy comes up and shares a cool story with you, silently responding with a thumbs up would be rude. If you're coordinating with a team, a thumbs up is a respectful and commonly understood gesture to indicate that you approve/understand.

oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
Very much so - you need to be careful using things like 'facepunch' (which is a very weird name for the fistbump emoji) or the pray/thanks/hi-five emoji.

plorkyeran 3y ago

Young people trolling journalists who ask them stupid questions is a long-standing tradition that Gen Z has not abandoned.

deathanatos 3y ago

AFAICT, the entire "Gen Z finds thumbs up passive aggressive" is fake news; it got started somewhere, and then copy/pasted across news sites with nobody doing an ounce of journalistic fact checking. E.g., this chain [1] → [2] → [3] chains back to the Reddit post ([3]) which has a grand total of … 26 upvotes (on the day the Today article is written)? … and AFAICT, the reddit post is what kicks off the news copypastafest. That's not a reliable source to then label an entire generation. "Journalists" getting their "facts" from r/Adulting … sigh. (Note that your NYPost article falls, chronologically, between [1] and [2], and note the dates on them all. There's a few other citations in the Today post … like an employee at Today, tweets, (it must have been a rather slow week) … and a (different) NYPost article whose citation is … the same Reddit post! The closet we get is then a jump to a Yahoo article which claims an unsourced survey for its data.) (AFAICT talking to people, everyone I've seen who thinks this is a thing appears to think such because they've encountered these news posts / reposts of this, not because they genuinely hold the belief themselves. Self-fulfilling prophecy, at this point. Though now that I've invoked a weird form of Cunningham's Law, I'm sure someone will tell me they're the one, and that there are dozens of them out there. Tell me why you can't just read :+1: in an "assume best intent" light and treat it as the literal "ack/agree/yes" that it's probably meant as, and what, you want me to spam everyone with reply notifications instead of just a reaction…?) (There is also an episode of Dr. Phil out there that goes into how a bunch of emoji are supposedly poisoned one way or another, again with nary a citation to most of it, or they're saying "X emoji is ruined" where, no, it's only ruined if you use it in a particular context where the meaning of the emoji isn't the original meaning, but rather the context puns it to something else. Cf. the eggplant emoji.) [1]: https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/10/28/gen-z-thumbs-up-emoji-passive-aggressive-red-heart-laugh-cry-canceled/ https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/10/28/gen-z-thumbs-up-... [2]: https://www.today.com/news/news/thumbs-up-emoji-debate-rcna52089 https://www.today.com/news/news/thumbs-up-emoji-debate-rcna5... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221013050626/https://www.reddit.com/r/Adulting/comments/rhie1e/am_i_not_adult_enough_to_be_comfortable_with_the/ https://web.archive.org/web/20221013050626/https://www.reddi...